2015/16 Rox Hot Stove Phase 1A – Nov 8th – Winter Meetings (Maybe)

Well, we’re up to 259 posts, and only halfway to the Winter Meetings. So one thread for this Hot Stove time block is getting clumsy. Let’s create thread 1A and post the next wave of comments here. Jaredean – please feel free to add some cool photo like you did in the first thread. That makes me appear smarter and cooler than I really am.

Quick recap of thread 1:

1. Lots of jealousy and awe of the playoff teams and how far away we are from being at that level.
2. Some good discussion about our guys in the AFL.
3. General panic and dismay at the notion of signing Daniel Murphy.
4. Bud Black and Mike Maddux envy.
5. Me attempting to explain that Byung ho Park has some redeeming qualities (at least when compared to FAs with qualifying offers) but he’s nowhere close to Jose Abreu.
6. RMH saying PUT THE BALL IN PLAY.

Alright – carry on!

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sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Happy Thanksgiving RWOers! This whole Rex Brothers for Wander Dailes Santana Cabrera (maybe the coolest name ever!) trade has sent me down the road of researching the current status of Domincan baseball. This in turn has uncovered my gross ignorance on the subject. I knew that Dominican Winter League ball is a big deal. I also knew that there was a Dominican summer league. But….I didn’t know every single freakin’ MLB team has a Dominican summer league team. I thought… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

I’m OK with giving up McMahon but not Tinoco side we need volume of pitchers. Plus we don’t need Teheran now unless we are contending before 2018.

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago

Rosario going unclaimed shows how warped the salary arbitration system can be. Based on those 25 HR years, he probably would have gotten 3+ million bucks in arbitration, which is way more than anyone thinks he’s worth. So it’s back to AAA for him, the Rockies apparently deciding that it’s worth seeing if he can go on a tear in Albuquerque and restore some value. I think Rosario had the ability to decline that assignment and become a free agent,… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp
sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

This makes much more sense that the original report of Rosario remaining with the Rox.

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Yep, that makes sense. Rosario is not worth what he’d get in arbitration (which is why arbitration is a freaky system — shouldn’t it try to hit his market rate or some percentage of it?), but he’s worth more than a minor league contract. A horribly mismanaged Rockies career comes to a typical end: gone, for nothing.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Headline on MLBTradeRumors: “Mariners “Trying Hard” To Deal Mark Trumbo; Have Talked With Rockies” This is funny to me. I’ve thrown out at least a half-dozen potential Cargo trade scenarios. I’ve considered the Mariners…..and have even considered taking back Trumbo’s final arbitration year as a way to get even more in return. But…………the Mariners Farm isn’t particularly strong, especially in pitching. So I haven’t found an obvious match with them UNLESS they’re willing to deal Tijuan Walker. Walker is apparently… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

carp, on Trumbo: I was about to scream “hell no” since he’s the worst fielder since Cuddyer … but then, well … the advanced defensive stats suggest he’s actually kind of o.k. as a first baseman only. DO NOT under any circumstances (short of a 15 inning game) ever let him play the outfield. Hey, maybe we can take some other bad contracts in exchange for Jose Reyes too.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
4 years ago

I went to the Black Friday sale at Coors Field where everything in the store was half price. I had planned to snag an Arenado jersey, but not surprisingly they took down all jerseys and hid them so they wouldn’t lose them at half prices. 🙂 There was however lots of Rosario jerseys they were trying to get rid of. Now that he’s cleared the waivers, they might as well lower the Rosario jersey to 80% off. FWIW, I did… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

David Price to Boston for 217M.

Byung-ho Park to Twins for “only” 12M….plus the original posting fee. All-in-all, an economical selection that doesn’t require giving up a compensation pick.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

The “big picture” here is that the AL East “arms” race for 2016 has begun in earnest. The Red Sox now have Price and Craig Kimbrel. Toronto has lost Price…..with JA Happ as the “replacement.” Baltimore is fighting (perhaps a losing battle) to retain Chris Davis and Geraldo Parra. The Yankees can’t sit this out (in my opinion). You’ve got to figure they’ll be “in” on Zack Greinke. So will the Cubs, So will the Giants. If the Yanks miss… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
4 years ago

Following the Rockies around the world during the winter season:
http://www.purplerow.com/2015/12/1/9819618/colorado-rockies-alex-balog-correlle-prime-australian-baseball-league-winter-updates

Alex Balog is doing very well in Australia while others are meh including Antonio Senzatela.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

Jordan Lyles has a $2.975MM deal with the Rockies.

Gary
Gary
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Not bad for two months a year of actual pitching!

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Things that make you go “hmmmmmmm:” By non-tendering Flande (?), Gurka, and Herrera – we only have 37 on the 40 man roster. This tells me a few things (I think) in the following order: 1. We’re definitely positioning ourselves to make a rule 5 pick. 2. We’re expecting to pick up multiple players via trade that will go immediately to the 40 man. So the return for Cargo should be major league ready, or very near major league ready.… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago

Yeah, yeah, it’s still early and all that, but … carp’s 62-100 prediction is looking pretty good. Optimistic even. This is setting up as a truly awful team. Carp, no offense, but this comment actually got a laugh out of me just because it shows how low expectations are: “Rox non-tender Johan Flande. I see this as a calculated gamble. Clear a spot on the 40 man, bring him back on a minor league contract. I’m going to laugh if… Read more »

Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
4 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

You could have all the planets line up and all their moons as well and it still wouldn’t happen. My mantra last winter was “I will not be optimistic in the spring”. No need to repeat that this year as everyone is on the same wavelength.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

I think I have a pretty good track record of coming on here and fessing up to my erroneous predictions. I’ve done that a number of times. It happens on a regular basis. That being said……I also think I’ve been correct way more than I’ve been wrong. The Rox were at a cross-roads during the 2013/2014 offseason. They should have traded Tulo then. I stated that numerous times. But we have yet to grasp the “sell high” concept. Now we’re… Read more »

roxnsox
roxnsox
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Hope Bridich gets his shot and doesn’t turn into O’Dowd – smart guy, but long years with hands tied.

If Monfort is Trump’s running mate, that means Trump was nominated, and the world is in a lot more trouble than fans of teams like the poor Colorado Rockies!

roxnsox
roxnsox
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Wouldn’t it be fun if, someday, OUR team was the dark horse (when a dark horse wasn’t even rumored, that I heard of)?

That long and expensive a contract is dumb, like Price’s with the Red Sox, but it’s what has to be done these days. At least they can figure on a couple-few good years if injury is avoided.

IggyRox
IggyRox
4 years ago

Wow, enjoying the news! Samardja to the Giants, Zak to the Snakes… how exciting! What are the Rockies doing? (crickets)

I’d rather have the Denver Bears back. If you’re going to be minor league, might as well admit it. At least the Bears/Z’s tried, and often won. This outfit is a joke.

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
4 years ago

Why would the Rockies bring in Parra? I don’t get it, then again what else is new when it comes to the Rockies. I can see exchanging a left handed OF for a right handed OF on the roster for better balance, but Parra is a huge downgrade from any of the 3 OFs we have already. If you’re okay with downgrading, why not just promote Kyle Parker or someone for the full season? Even if the rookie struggles, at… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

The only reason I can think of is that the Rockies have idiots in upper management. I also believe they should have traded Kyle Parker for anything they could get for him a long time ago.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

Lots to digest here. Really big picture and attempting to read the tea leaves…..all signs point towards the BSCS still not coming to grips with the fact that we suck, that we WILL be bad in 2016 and 2017, and yet not fully committing to rebuilding. Instead, we’re getting a milquetoast pseudo rebuild will attempting to also field a competitive team in the meantime. Extremely flawed logic. Hopefully I’ll be proven wrong. That being said….I definitely do like Parra as… Read more »

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