Another Poor Start, Missing Offense

Guthrie entered yesterdays game feeling under the weather.  Perhaps he should have stayed in bed as the Padres, the very same team that coming into Monday nights game carrying with them the second-lowest team batting average in the National League, filled up the box score with extra base hits.  You wouldn’t know they had been struggling at the plate as they had 14 hits at game-end and handed the Rockies the 7-1 loss.

The problems on offense can be seen against left-handed pitching so far this season, having only two runs in almost 30 innings.  Who can forget Zito and Bumgarner pretty much getting outs at will.

While last nights game held little in the way of bright spots, one that came courtesy of CarGo being sidelined with strep throat was the excellent night at the plate for Tyler Colvin.  Colvin, who went 2-4, was the only person able to “crack” the Luebke puzzle with the lone RBI of the game.  All of that success and he was getting it left-on-left, something Jim Tracy wouldn’t normally setup.

After the game Colvin talk to Troy Renck about Luebke’s pitching:

He was hitting his spots, mixing that cutter-slider he has, the hard one…He kept coming after us that way and kept us off-balance and getting outs. We’ve had some good comebacks. We feel good about it. We know it’s there.

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Agbayani
Agbayani
8 years ago

Jaredean, good observation about the Rox ineptitude against lefties … I’m going to look at some stats when I have the time to see whether they are particularly lame against lefties. I know that was the feeling last year, and a big reason they wanted Cuddyer to balance out the lineup.

OrangeRocks
OrangeRocks
8 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

For all the Herrera fans out there this is exactly the reason that it remains critical that the Rockies get a power bat that can play a decent thirdbase. Lefty pitchers have basically had their way with the Rockies now forever, and with Blake not panning out – it looks like that will continue – especially when Tulo is in a cool streak.

jaredean
jaredean
8 years ago
Reply to  OrangeRocks

Not sure why hitting has to be all power…when Johnny had 3 hits the other day i’m sure it didn’t matter that they weren’t “power” hits…i would take someone that hits for average at 3rd, hitting .280+, over a “power hitter” that may get a lot of HR’s but very little in the way of on base…we don’t have the luxury of having power at 3rd right now, so having the Sparkplug there to make plays and hit for average… Read more »

Pooter
Pooter
8 years ago
Reply to  OrangeRocks

I agree with Jardean. Why would the Rocks need a 8 hole hitter to hit for power. They need someone to get on base in that spot. Tulo and Cargo need to step up and hit for power. Like Billy Bean says in Money Ball, “WE NEED PEOPLE WHO GET ON BASE.”

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
8 years ago
Reply to  OrangeRocks

Sunday was another one of those games I mentioned where Herrera does well but the team loses. Maybe its a result of Herrera playing in a lot of those games where the team takes the Sabbath off, but the Rockies just don’t win games with Herrera in there.

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
8 years ago
Reply to  OrangeRocks

Looked it up. Rockies are 58-72 in games Herrera has started in his career.

jaredean
jaredean
8 years ago
Reply to  OrangeRocks

oh man, please don’t pull a stat like that out – to make the point that we are a losing team because Herrera is in makes no sense…i agree that it is most likely that he was part of the “Sunday Special Line-Up Losing Streak” that went towards those stats, plus you gotta look at who he replaces a lot of time…he was in there when Tulo was injured for several starts, etc… I know many will see me defending… Read more »

jaredean
jaredean
8 years ago
Reply to  OrangeRocks

and yes, i did give myself a thumbs-up on my own comment 🙂

jeem
jeem
8 years ago
Reply to  OrangeRocks

Herrera is a major leaguer + he is here to stay. Get over it. He’s yer prototypical utility guy, good field good hit. Good guy.

Pooter
Pooter
8 years ago

I wish Colvin could play third base!

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
8 years ago
Reply to  Pooter

Carefully what you wish for !!!!! After all, according to Drew Goodman, the Rockies are trying to get Rosario up to speed at 1st base.

Strictly my opinion but there are no position players within the Rockies except for Tulo and Helton. Who the hec knows what we might see everyplace else.

Pooter
Pooter
8 years ago

I really do think this team can be the best Rockies team in history but not until the starting pitching and Tulo/ Cargo heat up. With those things struggling there is way too much pressure on the Fowler’s and Nelson’s in this lineup and a young bullpen which has actually done well. The Rockies are going to figure out who their true ace of the staff is very soon, one of these guys is going to step up and end… Read more »

OrangeRocks
OrangeRocks
8 years ago

ok Jaredeem – no reply available for your response, so I will reply here. Johnny is a .259 (not .280) hitter with absolutely no power, and trending in the wrong direction. If the Rockies are serious about 2012, they will either bring up Arenado or trade for some right handed power that can play thirdbase – but that’s just me! Herrara is not the answere at third.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
8 years ago

I guess I’m one of the rare Chris Nelson supporters. I’m liking him at 3B now that Pacheco is out of the picture. Threw out two hits last night; he’s more relaxed knowing he will play everyday without having to platoon. With regular playing time, I’m sure Nelson will settle into a groove and hit .280 with a little bit of power. Bottom line is that he’s hitting 8th which takes a little bit of an adjustment being in front… Read more »

jaredean
jaredean
8 years ago

you flip-flop then you have your #7 hitter having to worry about “flipping the line-up”…it is all arbitrary when you get through the line-up the first time anyway…your pitcher might be 2nd up in an inning or 4th…

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
8 years ago

hey JD did you get my emails? just curious, no rush. doubt you check that addy often.

jaredean
jaredean
8 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

sorry! yes, i did but i’ve been fighting horrible jet lag and haven’t had time to really work on things…i have a great idea in my mind, but most likely it will have to wait until the weekend…thanks for getting that together – it will be money to have!

Bill
Bill
8 years ago

Well the last two games seems like a repeat of last year. After a big win Saturday night the team goes into the tank. No hitting, especially in the clutch, and poor starting pitching. I know it’s very early in the season but I don’t see much to be excited about. Once they sent Pacheco down they’ve lost any flexibility they had. The back up 3rd baseman is either a catcher, a rightfielder or a middle infielder. Same with the… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
8 years ago

The problem with this team is only partially with the players. The real problem is management. They got rid of Don Baylor as the hitting coach, yet while he was here, at least they scored runs. Did anyone notice that since Baylor became the hitting coach for Arizona that their players have become extremely patient at the plate seeing far more pitches than the Rockies did in the last series and they no longer lead the MLB in strikeouts. As… Read more »

Batgirl
Batgirl
8 years ago

I haven’t been posting much – for two reasons. First of all, the baseball knowledge on this site is immense (and I wonder what can I say that really adds) but secondly, I’m depressed about this year and also…..bored. I couldn’t wait for the season to start and it’s already feeling like a slog. This is how I felt at the end of last year. Then they cleaned house and brought in a bunch of new talent yet it doesn’t… Read more »

OrangeRocks
OrangeRocks
8 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

Batgirl you are the RWO replica of RoxGirl over on Purple Row, and she usually ROCKS except when she got all excited about the signing (might have been a trade actually) of Jose Lopez.

Jaredean is right keep those comments coming and we will find some Rockies hope for you to hang on to.

Miketober
Miketober
8 years ago
Reply to  Batgirl

“little league/everybody plays”

LOL

Ike
Ike
8 years ago
Reply to  Batgirl

“it’s great to see both Jenny C and Dave Krieger finally ask some hard ball questions about it to JT in post game”

Amen

Rocky
Rocky
8 years ago
Reply to  Batgirl

What an awesome post. You may have talked me off the ledge too.

Pooter
Pooter
8 years ago

My prediction for tonight:::::

Rockies 7 Padres 1

Moyer 7 IP 4K ER

This will be the beginning to much better Rockies baseball.

OrangeRocks
OrangeRocks
8 years ago
Reply to  Pooter

Yep and EY2 steals two bags on those Padres, too!

Pooter
Pooter
8 years ago
Reply to  OrangeRocks

He would have to have another pinch hit inning were he bats twice like earlier this year to accomplish that. I don’t see him starting this one. I wish Jr. was still at second base, he does not have an outfield arm.

JeffinWestminster
JeffinWestminster
8 years ago
Reply to  Pooter

I would agree with you but if there is a Lefty pitching I bet the Rocks only have 3 or 4 hits and one run. They can’t hit lefties just like last season.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
8 years ago

Short sample (10 games) but I can see the tendencies developing. There are some positives(not enough) and some negatives (too many). The positives: Except for white flag Sunday lineups, JT hasn’t tinkered with the lineup at all unlike last year which should give us more of a flow in the game as we get deeper into the season. I have noticed the Rox have been striking out at a far lesser pace than last year. We are getting quality ABs… Read more »

Jaredean
Jaredean
8 years ago

Excellent analysis. This should be a main post!

Cisco Kid
Cisco Kid
8 years ago

RMH,

Sunday’s game was not the rubber game of the series, they had already won the first two games. Therefore, they did win that series 2-1.

rockymountainhigh
Admin
rockymountainhigh
8 years ago
Reply to  Cisco Kid

Yes it was a rubber game in my opinion – broom them. They failed.

Batgirl
Batgirl
8 years ago

If you’re right, Pooter, then Moyer gets his “oldest pitcher to win a game” award! Here’s hoping. Thanks for the kind words, guys. I am officially off the ledge.

Mr. Peabody
Mr. Peabody
8 years ago
Reply to  Batgirl

Batgirl: I second the kudos for your post and share your major observations, especially about being down on the year so far and finding the Rox play boring baseball. I’m resisting the temptation, though. Last year they went 17-8 in April and looked like the demons were gone. How’d that turn out? So we can’t extrapolate 10 games into a lost season, but there are too many times it’s a rerun of last year: * giving up runs early, always… Read more »

Alex Colfax
Alex Colfax
8 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Peabody

In addition to Scutaro, Cuddyer plays hard all the time. But otherwise you’re right about the lack of intensity that seems so evident.

I was at the game last night and it sure looked like too many players were just going through the motions…a totally listless bunch.

As I asked the other night, when is O’Dowd’s “Culture of Accountability” going to kick in? I know it’s only ten games, but the early signs for this team are not promising.

Miketober
Miketober
8 years ago

The good news: Bass is a RHP.
The bad news: he beat the Rockies twice last year while he was still in diapers.

Batgirl
Batgirl
8 years ago

Mr Peabody, I would have to say NO. Jim Tracy is not the person to lead us….into next month, let alone the World Series. I often feel like only when he’s out of the picture can we turn things around. Before I rile up any JT defenders, here are my reasons for saying this: * His overtinkering with batters/pitchers. One of my favorite lines in Moneyball was when Billy Beane said “I don’t believe in righty-lefty” !! This tendency annoys… Read more »

Miketober
Miketober
8 years ago
Reply to  Batgirl

Batgirl, you rock!

Alex Colfax
Alex Colfax
8 years ago
Reply to  Batgirl

I would agree with all your points, especially the contrast between the Tracy who took over in ’09 and the Tracy who constantly disrupts the lineup. I too was surprised by his defensiveness in answering a few questions from the assembled media on Saturday night. It’s about time someone started asking some legitimate questions, rather than the softball lobs we so often see. The fact is, Tracy probably has it easier in this regard than almost any manager in MLBB.… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
Admin
rockymountainhigh
8 years ago
Reply to  Batgirl

Oh boy now you’ve got me riled up. LOL. I feel like it’s the battle of the glass half full and glass half empty. *Over tinkering hitters/pitchers* – He’s not doing it this year. The lineup has been stable except for the Sunday lineups. Last year he was forced to tinker because he had no depth (you wanted Wiggy to be a starter???) to plug the sinkholes at 2B, 3B, and various injuries (Tulo, Helton, CarGo, DLR) along with a… Read more »

Timo
Timo
8 years ago

Great points RMH. We always try and pin everything on managers and coaches but at some point players have to play and the FO has to scout and aquire quality players. Tracy doesn’t drop easy fly balls, boot simple grounders, or make awful throws. He doesn’t swing at ball 4 in the dirt or fail to move a runner over. He also has to play the guys that the FO decides to pay. There is blame to go around for… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
Admin
rockymountainhigh
8 years ago

There’s the exact same lineup tonight that is a “stable” lineup as I pointed out in my earlier post. Going to the ball game tonight (I’m a Guys Night Out Tuesday nights fan) and I hope to see Moyer make history! All I ask for tonight is for the Rox to strike first and play airtight defense. Then Moyer has a nice chance at history.

jeem
jeem
8 years ago

SURRENDER SUNDAYS! I love it! One of those 10 game ticket packages! Hot dogs. Beer. Two Cokes. A program. I can hear George pitching it btwn innings now! Go to Colorado Rockies DOT com!

Ike
Ike
8 years ago

I am kind of interested to watch this experiment. Normal teams(sensible?) fire the manager after performances like the Rockies these last two years. Dan O’Dowd set out to disprove the axiom “you can’t fire the players”. He fired the players. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen this before. If the trends remain the same as last year, I think it will be pretty conclusive that the problem lies with non-player leadership despite all of the DOD assertions otherwise. It’s early.… Read more »

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