Collmenter embarrasses Rox offense

I can buy getting no-hit by Clayton Kershaw. When the guy is on, he’s the best pitcher in baseball today, with both great stuff and location. I also remember the 2nd half of the career of Greg Maddux. He rarely ventured over 85 mph, but had pinpoint control and pitched backwards keeping hitters off balance.

Then, there’s Josh Collmenter. Great guy. Nice story. Good pitcher, but never going to win a Cy Young. Unless, of course, he pitches against the Rockies every start. His average velocity this year is down to 84 mph. When asked about it tonight, Bob Brenly characterized the difference between 84 mph and 88 mph as “infinitesimal” for major league hitters.

In eight innings during tonight’s 9-1 loss, Collmenter kept the Rockies to 5 hits with 0 BBs and 6 Ks. There was only one back-to-back hit sequence. In the 6th, Corey Dickerson doubled, then ran a half-stop sign from Stu Cole after a Tulo single, getting thrown out at the plate.

Jordan Lyles regressed, but the 1st was the result of some hard luck – the box score and Descalso-hating Tweets don’t really tell the story. Ender Inciarte and Paul Goldschmidt singled. Inciarte broke for third, Lyles pulled an inside move throwing to Descalso at second, who then hit Inciarte in the back of the helmet on the way to third. The ball got away, allowing Inciarte to score. Trumbo then singled driving in Goldschmidt, which would be all the Dbacks needed.

Lyles created a huge problem in the 5th, issuing walks to Inciarte, Goldschmidt, and Peralta before a single from Yasmany Tomas and a 3-run blast from ex-Rockie Jordan Pacheco. That’s exactly the type of high leverage situation Lyles has created for himself, then imploded in all year.

The Dbacks offense romped with all starters getting a hit. The Rockies fair-weather offense fired almost nothing back outside of a two-hit night from Tulo. They seemed baffled at the plate. more like a getaway day way out of the race in August than in a contest in late April. It was lethargic, and embarrassing. People are pointing to the Lyles start and the Descalso error, but an allegedly league-leading offense should put up more than 1 run on Collmenter. The game was over in the 1st inning for all practical purposes.

Back-to-back nights of a Rox pitcher giving up tacos (it’s 5 runs, 3 tacos at participating Taco Bells in Arizona) is bad, but the offense and its suddenly sporadic run scoring is unexpected.

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Gary
Gary
5 years ago

May has sprung-and so have the leaks in the Rockies boat.Can a Titanic like sinking be on the horizon?

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Great summary, Donnie. Maybe Taco Bell will have to lower the Rockies standard to 5 runs to get rid of their surplus tacos. I agree with you — yes, the starting pitching’s inability to get through 6 innings plus the flurry of walks is obvious. But the offense has been almost as big a problem. Park-adjust the offensive stats and the Rockies rank 8th in offensive production in the NL. In other words, a slightly worse than average offense overall.… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Before you go down rating DJ, you need to take into account that no matter how good he is hitting he gets stuck in the 8 hole. On a different team that rewards its batters for hitting good, DJ would not be batting 8th. It is my opinion that as I much as I dislike the idea that trading Arenado would bring back the most benefits. Tulo is no longer a great fielding SS and when is the last time… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

And because I just can’t let it go:

Rockies team pitching (Fielding Independent Pitching ERA) 2014: 4.43
Rockies team FIP 2015: 4.42

How’s that for the impact of an expert handler of pitchers!

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

When are you going to let that go? How many WPs and PBs has Hundley let past him? Compare that to Rosario/McKenry in 2014. That means we need to look at FDP (Fielding Dependent Pitching) ERA and I bet you see a drastic improvement. DD’s and McKenry’s errors will skew the FDP ERA and make it seem irrevelant. Better yet, make a new stat – CDP (Catcher Dependent Fielding) and you’ll see a dramatic difference. I know you might get… Read more »

Gary
Gary
5 years ago

Being the old fart that I am I barely understood any of this discussion,but my eyes[yes I can still see]tell me Hundley is a vast improvement behind the dish.Remember the famous quote,often attributed to Lincoln,”There are lies,Damn Lies,and statistics.”

sabrchip
sabrchip
5 years ago

Cant figure out who’s worse, Descalso or Stubbs, but I’d show them both the door. Stubbs has 877 Ks v. 643 Hs and is striking out at a 60% clip this year. Why is this career .245 hitter still here? DD has 3 Es in 13 chances for an .836 FA and 10 career HRs. He’s got 47 fewer Ks than his 300 total hits. And he’s only hitting .240 in his career, a number that’s gone down since his… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

The Rox are routinely at or near the bottom of offensive production on the road. Naturally, we have the best offensive Park in the majors – by far. So our overall average gets skewed significantly. I’ve said for several years that we’re an average offensive team. I really nothing from this group that changes my opinion. But we’ll have a couple of 15R Coors Field outbursts as the weather heats up that will once again skew our average upward. What… Read more »

JulieG
JulieG
5 years ago

I am all for getting rid of Decalso as I didn’t understand getting him in the first place, and it looks like last year for Stubbs, who I like defensively was an anomaly. The Rockies are so slow in their development phase of position players, we seem to think that if we draft someone they should take four or five years to get to the majors as if we are scared we might actually have something if they showed up… Read more »

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

Adames seems to be having a good season so far at Albuquerque, so I think that he’s ready to be a reserve for the Rockies. Culberson may return before too long, but I wasn’t that impressed with what we saw of him last year. We ended last season thinking that we had lots of depth in the outfield, but we then let Cuddyer go (I was fine with that), Barnes and Parker are off to slow starts in Albuquerque, and… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
5 years ago

Believe it or not, I’m almost like ready to give up on the Rockies this season not because the opponents are better than us, but because we are beating ourselves more often than not. I just can’t stand the walks and Es that lead to extra pitches (shortening the SP’s outing) which eventually lead into get-me-over pitches (Tomas 2 RBI single and Pacheco’s HR). Why did Arizona beat us last night? 0 walks Why did SF beat us Saturday? 0… Read more »

Gary
Gary
5 years ago

But wasn’t the consensus in ST pretty much that the team would suck and win fewer than 75 games? We should be thrilled with the start and just pray for .500 from here which would be better than almost everyone’s expectations.Does that make me happy?-no but it would keep me watching and make summer interesting.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

I’ll be the first to admit I have weird outlook on this and I don’t expect others to agree – but if the Rox miraculously come to grips with reality and decide to embark upon the rebuild route that’s so desparately needed and (even more miraculously) began executing it correctly, I’ll be TOTALLY onboard, even though it will be brutal for the remainder of 2K15 and 2K16. If they show me they have a viable plan, I’ll stick with them.… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Here’s the thing that will be extremely painful for 99.9% of fans – but I have to throw it out – NoDo is our most valuable asset (way more valuable than Tulo) because of contract and age. Scott Boras is his agent. Jus sayin’.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Allow me to clarify: Rockies’ offense last year was 6th in the NL on a park-adjusted basis, and that’s with Tulo missing roughly 40% of the season and Cargo being a nonfactor for most of the season. So if those guys are healthy and productive (so far the former, not the latter) this is a good offense. But there’s nothing elite or fearsome about it. The Blake Street Bombers it’s not, nor is it the 2015 Dodgers or even the… Read more »

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

yes!

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

I see two rebuild options – The first is a “big” rebuild that involves trading Tulo, Cargo, Morneau, and any other older player that can bring a prospect. In this scenario we look for AA and AAA guys to balance our AA and A strengths AND used the saved contract money to extend NoDo and Dickerson. I think many fans will come to grips with this scenario when they begin to understand it. The second option is the “nuclear” rebuild… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

carp, I can’t see the Nuclear Option happening. In fact, I’d guess that management would try to temper a trade of Tulo and/or Cargo with an extension of Arenado at around the same time — the spin would be “this isn’t a fire sale, we’re not cheapskates, we’re just rebuilding around our great young players and Arenado is the start of that wave.” I could see a Dickerson long term deal there too for the same reasons. And actually I… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Ag – I tend to agree. I think step #1 is the Tulo trade, then an assessment of what we got in return. Perhaps the nuclear option won’t be necessary.

At this moment, we’ll have a hard enough time unloading Cargo’s contract. Expecting significant return in addition to unloading contract is tough. You’re spot on – he needs to play (much) better.

Pooter
Pooter
5 years ago

No more rebuild talk! Rockies are going to the playoffs THIS YEAR!!

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