HOT STOVE PART DEUX

Per Ike Turner’s very reasonable suggestion – here’s a Hot Stove (Rox and non-Rox combined) Part II thread. Hot Stove Part I has grown too long – and we’ve done virtually nothing. It’s probably a good thing we didn’t hire AJ Preller – our heads would have surely exploded by now.

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Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago

Ottavino and Rosario still not signed.

“Two Colorado players remain in arbitration, and both are eligible for the first time: right-hander Adam Ottavino and catcher Wilin Rosario. Ottavino asked for $1,475,000 and was offered $1 million; Rosario asked for $3.3 million and was offered $2.8 million.”

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Ottavino signs for $1.3MM leaving only Rosario unsigned.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/01/rockies-avoid-arbitration-with-adam-ottavino.html

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
5 years ago

Rox drafting is on the upswing; Forrest Wall is #3 for second basemen in MLB Pipeline ranking. Jon Gray and Kyle Freeland were in the Pipeline’s top 10 for RSP and LSP respectively. Plus David Dahl has been ranked as high as #1 on the Rockies’ prospect listing by some baseball publications. Only problem is that they are still at least 2016 or later away from appearing in the big show. The Rox say at the FanFest that Boone Logan… Read more »

Gary
Gary
5 years ago

When did we sign John Lannan?

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago
Reply to  Gary

November 18, 2014 as a minor league free agent.

http://rockiesroster.com/transactions/

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Gary

I’m SHOCKED you don’t remember this. It was the same day there were a dozen small earthquakes in Greeley. 🙂

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Don’t remember earthquakes and I live in Loveland.But I am 68 and suffer from severe CRS[can’t remember shit] Amazing I missed this “blockbuster”signing.Thanks guys.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Gary

Don’t feel too bad Gary. I’ll turn 50 in May and already suffer from CRS!

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

For the 2nd year in a row, Keith Law is rather bullish on the ROX Farm System, ranking us 8th. I’m no long an ESPN “insider” (it’s not worth it in my opinion), so I don’t know the details. I’ve noted more than once I’m not a huge Law fan. I think he goes out of his way to be harsh on the ROX sometimes (that sounds sorta strange coming from me). So I take note when he says something… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

All sorts of talk this off-season about speed-of-play. I’ve been mostly skeptical (although I would love to see a solution). Ideas like eliminating shifts seem unrealistic. But earlier today I read something brilliant due to its simplicity (aren’t all the best ideas simple?). Impose a 3 batter minimum for relief pitchers, thereby eliminating all the late inning 1 batter matchups. Think about that for a minute. I’m not sure I can grasp all the ramifications, but it would profoundly change… Read more »

roxnsox
roxnsox
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Allow the batter to step out only once to fix whatever gear! (Or to needlessly fix gear, stare around and spit, have an eye-to-eye with his bat. Whatever.) Whether it would help the time issue I don’t know; I would hope so; but it sure is irritating.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  roxnsox

This would be brutal on Tulo! 😉

Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
5 years ago

Ed and RMH, did you see my comment to you guys on the DirecTV blackout issue? I’m worried that you won’t be getting what you think you will with the Premier package. I commented above long after you two discussed it.

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob in Indy

BinWV… Yup saw it. I will drop the premier package as soon as I determine that I don’t get the Rox on Root. It makes no sense that I got Root and the Rox when I lived 50 miles away from Denver. Now that I’m 600 miles away I can’t imagine not being able to get it…I’ll know in April when the first game is televised. Logical decisions from Directv and MLB regarding blackouts are missing and presumed lost. Update… Read more »

Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
5 years ago
Reply to  EdtheUmp

I believe it’s because you are now in the Phoenix market. Same reason I can only get the Pirates games here in northern WV.

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob in Indy

biwv…

I agree…I think that is exactly why I will get the dbacks and not the rox even with the premier package…time will tell…thanks for the info.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

From MLB Trade Rumors: “Though Brandon Beachy was reportedly considering multiple offers and was thought to be close to signing a new contract earlier this month, his agent Rob Martin tells Ken Rosenthal (all Twitter links) that the right-hander will wait a bit longer. “Brandon has decided not to sign a contract at this time. With each day his arm is getting stronger and he’s feeling even more confident about his progress,” Martin said. “Thus, he is going to continue… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago

Rockies get RHPs David Hale and Gus Schlosser from the Braves for minor league catchers Jose Briceno and Chris O’Dowd. Once Dan O’Dowd was no longer with the Rockies, I was wondering how long it would take the them to get rid of his son.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/01/rockies-acquire-david-hale-gus-schlosser-from-braves.html

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
5 years ago

Rockies acquire pitchers David Hale and Gus Schlosser from Braves, designate Jayson Aquino for assignment. In one of their more significant moves this offseason, the Rockies turned a pair of minor league catchers, Jose Briceno and Chris O’Dowd, into a pair of relievers and designated a young lefty (Jayson Acquino) for assignment. Nice move except that we protected Acquino from Rule 5 instead of Dan Winkler. If they did not think that highly of him, why protect Acquino over Winkler?… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
5 years ago

Snipped from Purple Row: “The headliner of the deal is 27-year-old David Hale who made 45 appearances, including six starts, for Atlanta last season. Hale posted a 3.30 ERA in 87 1/3 innings in 2014, allowing 89 hits, walking 39 and striking out 44. He gave up just one run in 11 innings in a brief MLB appearance in 2013. According to The Denver Post’s Nick Groke, Hale may get a shot at a spot in the Rockies’ starting rotation… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

Interesting – I vaguely remember Hale last year. Seems to me we gave up 2 guys with no future in the organization for a serviceable pitcher that can fill multiple roles. Nothing wrong with that!

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
5 years ago

The Colorado Rockies have signed free agents Rafael Betancourt and Omar Quintanilla, presumably to minor league deals, according to Baseball America’s Matt Eddy.

Nice to have Betty back to give his last shot but Omar? Don’t we have Descalso and Culberson?

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

The “speed of game” emphasis may cause Betancourt, JDLR, and Tulo to explode.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago

Rockies have a history of unexplainable 40 man roster moves[mistakes}.

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago

The reason Winkler was not protected is that the Rockies did not want to pay him at the Major League rate to be on the DL. The minor league pay rate is much less. They wrongly assumed that he would be safe from the Rule 5 draft because he is recovering from TJ surgery. If Winkler had not been injured, he would definitely have been on the 40 man roster especially since he would have been one of the call… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Bob – in my opinion, there’s at least a 50/50 chance we’ll see Winkler again. The Braves always have a solid SP staff, so it will be hard for him to crack that group and stay in the Majors. Couple that with all the uncertainties in a TJ rehab…….I can see him on our opening day 2017 roster.

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Both the Braves and Rockies were looking at Winkler as a relief pitcher. The Braves must have really felt very strong about Winkler since they are willing to have him on the DL at the Major League level and understand just what it will take to be able to keep him. There is always the possibility that the Braves and Rockies could work out a trade allowing the Braves to Keep Winkler without having to meet the Rule 5 regulations.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Yep, we gave up 1 nonprospect (O’Dowd … Does this suggest that daddy is taking a job with the Braves?) and one marginal prospect (Briceno) for a guy who at a minimum is better than our anticipated 5th starter (Bergman?) and at best could be a Jordan Lyles repeat. So that’s good. The other guy, Schlosser, doesn’t really have anything impressive in his history. So I guess this is the big Rockies move of the offseason that we’ve all been… Read more »

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

I read that Bricerno would have had to be put on the 40 man roster after this season, which seems unlikely. So, if we were going to lose him after this season anyway, I’m glad that we got something for him. And it seems like we got a pitcher who has a chance of making our roster, which is great. We can’t have enough pitching.

roxnsox
roxnsox
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Same as it ever was. Tomorrow IS Groundhog Day (I reference Bill Murray and the movie). And this is the year the planets align! Dick is sure of it!

Cisco Kid
Cisco Kid
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

He’s such a Dick!

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

Per MLB Trade Rumors: “The Rockies are in agreement with right-hander John Axford on a minor league contract with an invite to Spring Training, per the team’s transactions page. Axford is a client of the Beverly Hills Sports Council. Axford, 32 in April, began the 2014 season closing games for the Indians but quickly ceded the job to standout Cody Allen, who took hold of the ninth-inning reins and never looked back. Things weren’t so rosy for Axford, who issued… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago

MLB.com’s 2015 top 100 prospects.

16. Jonathan Gray
35. Eddie Butler
59. David Dahl
60. Kyle Freeland

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015

Colorado Thistle
Colorado Thistle
5 years ago

Looks like — as Bridich said in the Fest — they are still going after pitching. First, as sdcarp noted above, we signed John Axford; never a bad deal in my mind to sign a reliever who was a bit of a disappointment the year before. These guys tend to rebound. Now we’ve signed Kyle Kendrick formerly of the Phillies for $5.5M. Since it isn’t directly my money, this seems like a good one year pickup for us. Our pitching… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

I really like the Axford move. Low risk, minor league contract to an experienced dude that still has velocity. And if the Ax man gets his act together, he’s easily mid-season flippable for a prospect. Kendrick – meh. I do like the depth aspect of it. I really do. Last year proved we can’t have enough of that (even if we think we do). The thing that has me puzzled though is that Vogelsong went to the Giants for 4M.… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

As poorly as Vogelsong has pitched at Coors Field, he had no wish to sign with the Rockies and I suspect that they had very little interest in him also.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
5 years ago

Hoorah, Rockies sign Kyle Kendricks. That’s our best #5 option. Bridich is looking good now. Not Shields quality, but not a scrap heap signing either.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

RMH, I know we’re all grasping at straws here, but “Bridich is looking good now?” Really? Kendrick projects as right around replacement level. No, he’s not as awful as Jon Garland or Jamie Moyer, but he’s also not as good as even Jeremy Guthrie, or to be honest, the Jason Marquis pickup c. 2009. About all you can say is that if things go really well he’ll give you 180 marginally acceptable innings. Which would be great if he was… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

So you’re saying that Culberson, Flande, Bergman, Kerosene and Rosario’s game calling are better than Descslso, Hale, Hundley, etc? That’s the whole idea of Bridich upgrading depth while setting up for 2016. So I have to totally disagree with your argument.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

Guys – the concept that we’re somehow setting up for 2016 is way off base. In fact – just the opposite is occurring. Our refusal to trade Tulo and Cargo leaves us with our two cornerstone players as depreciating assets with backloaded contracts. I can understand the “PAT,” play for this year concept (although I personally disagree with it at the most fundamental level). But to think that by doing this somehow sets us up better for the future is… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Both Bridich and Weiss explicitly said if we are out of contention by trade deadline, there will be wholesale changes. We didn’t make the big trades cuz that would be 60 cents return on the dollar. Brooch wants to rebuild their trade values. Then that will set up for 2016 when we have Jon Gray, David Dahl, and Eddie Butler ready. It is of my opinion that 2016 is the year we start fresh, not 2017 or later.

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago
Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago

Rockies trade Jayson Aquino to Blue Jays for LHP Tyler Ybarra. Nice to see they aren’t just letting their DFAs go for nothing like they used to do.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/02/rockies-to-acquire-tyler-ybarra-from-blue-jays.html

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

RMH, some time every spring I start feeling optimistic and I put forth my Planet Alignment Theory of how the Rockies can compete. I’m not there yet this year … but it’ll come. For now, I’ll grant you this: Kendrick is an upgrade over Bergman (who was our likely #5) and also over Hale, who in turn was an upgrade over Bergman Axford should be an upgrade over Belisle (but maybe not, or not by much) Descalso is a minor… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

We are viewing the winter season through the same prism, but at different color bands. I view this winter season as the time to raise the “floor” and solidify the floor so it is harder to have a free fall. It goes hand in hand with the PAT. Ag, you view the winter season as the time to make the team better now and win now, no? At least I know we can agree that the Rockies are collecting a… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

I really want to be proven wrong, I really do. Several of the projection algorithms have the Rox in the 76-78 win range. I think we can all agree the Nats are the favorite in the NL East, and may be a 95-100 win team. The Cubs and Cards will likely battle for supremacy in the NL Central. Of course the West has the reigning WS champs Giants and the revamped, already strong Dodgers and a new kid in town… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Honestly – my biggest worry is that the projected wild card group (Giants, Padres, Marlins, Cubs/Cards) muddle around 85 win pace (I actually think this WILL happen) and the Rox play a couple of games ahead of the 76-78 projection (let’s say they go 81-81)…..and that’s just close enough to keep the difficult but necessary changes for the future from being made at the trade deadline…….just prolonging our stay in Netherworld.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago

Some interesting? names still out there-Matt Lindstrom,R.Soriano,Joba C.,D,Aardsma[a former Rockies target] and Joe Beimal.A starter who I really wanted the Rox to look at last year,and who signed very late with Seattle,Chris Young is still available.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

I see where Johan Flande (too bad that guy isn’t Belgian – what a great name) cleared waivers and is likely Isotope bound. Josh Vitters and Jeremy Barfield also signed and smell like minor league depth. One under-the-radar move made by the Rox this offseason that I maintain will pay huge dividends was to move the AAA team to Albuquerque. Better ballpark, better weather, better elevation……..I think we’ll see our best minor leaguers there instead of Tulsa (oops, New Britain).… Read more »

Jim Moore
Jim Moore
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

sdcarp Greg Maddux?

Jeem
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Jeem
5 years ago

Brutal recitation of numbers from 2014 by Saunders in today’s Post. And telling. You contemplate them and just “feel” the pain of watching the Rox in 2014. 21 Road wins. So we’ll have to double that to eke out a winning road record. Scary.

Jim Moore
Jim Moore
5 years ago

Greg Maddux?

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

One thing we can agree on about the Padres: at least they’ll be interesting. I don’t know of any other team with quite this wide a spread in predicted record. Can that outfield hold it together defensively? Can Gyorko reestablish himself as a young all star in the making? Middlebrooks at 3B: basically garbage, or underrated power bat? The pitching ought to be really good — Shields has been about the most consistently very good, not exactly great starter in… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Great article on fangraphs; even with all the moves they’ve made they are still NOT a good team. Only PAT would bail them out.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/james-shields-cant-solve-the-biggest-padres-problem/

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

With the three picks, the Rockies have a real chance to get better if they pick wisely. Hopefully, the new regime does better than the old regime.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

Continuing to follow SI’s unveiling of their initial Power Rankings. Today they released #13-#18; http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/55028/ranking-the-teams-18-through-13-2 FYI – the entire list (so far), in groupings of 5, is available on the ESPN free site. So far, I think they have Astros too high (and the writer as much as admits it) and the White Sox significantly too low. I also like the Padres just a smidge more than them….but not much. All-in-all, it’s a good read and I’m more or less… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago
Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Beat me to it Bob.Will this prompt a Pooter sighting here,or will he be too busy on the Braves site telling them what a steal they got?

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