Hot Stove Phase 2 – Winter Meetings

The first domino to fall was Greinke to Arizona for six years.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago

How about a three team trade: Blackman to the Cubs, Soler to a third team, and that third team sends us pitchers. Who would the third team be? I would think that the Cubs would love to have Charlie. Would we get enough in return to be worthwhile? What team with excess pitching would really want Soler?

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Appears the Nats are interested in Cargo. Just checked Nats top 10 post 2015 prospect via Baseball America. #5 Reynaldo Lopez (RHP – #5)) and Austin Voth (RHP – #9) seem about right.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Seems to me since our friend Michael Cuddyer retired, Blackmon would be a good fit for the Mets. I’ll take Cheyenne, WY Brandon Nimmo (OF) in return. Nimmo is post-2015 Mets Prospect #5 per Baseball America.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Have to say, I’ve looked over the Royals current Prospects and I’m not as impressed as I thought I would be. They had the dream Farm system in the 2005-2010 time frame, but it seems to be slipping. That being said…..I do like Raul Mondessi Jr.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Researched the most up-to-date CWS top Prospect list and I continue to maintain we matchup with them better than many think. They have the following obtainable (IMO) top Prospects:

#3 RHP Spencer Adams
#4 RHP Carson Fulmer
#5 RHP Tyler Danish
#7 OF/1B Courtney Hawkins

I’ve seen Hawkins play in ST. To this point, he’s played OF, but he’s a 1Bman in my opinion. Huge guy. Think Ryan Howard. Gigantic power. Needs to reduce K rate.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

I do RMH – and in the “big picture” im definitely not changing my tune. But I think we’re far enough away from contending that I’d take best available talent in certain situations. For example, I like Raul Mondesi Jr from KC far better than anyone else they have at the moment. The Mariners CF Alex Jackson is far better than any pitcher they have in their system. This offseason is teaching what I’ve long preached……Prospects are gold. They can… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

FYI – our friends at Purple Row are currently having their Rockies Top 30 Prospects Poll. You have all week to post your top 30. I did so this AM. Here’s my top 30: 1. Brendan Rodgers 2. Jeff Hoffman 3. Ryan McMahon 4. Jon Gray (I’m high on Gray – but not quite as high as most. However, I will say this (being an old guy) – in 1987 the Braves traded 36 YO Doyle Alexander to the Tigers… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

It was interesting doing this Purple Row exercise. It actually made me think wholisticly about the entire Organization, instead of randomly talking about individual guys. A couple of things jumped out at me with my 2019 contention window (and playing 500 ball in 2018) vision: 1. We don’t have a legit 1B Prospect on the surface. This is nothing new. We knew this. Going into 2015, I was an advocate of eventually moving McMahon to 1st. But the scouting reports… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Oops RMH – of course you’re correct. Tyler Nevin. But who know’s, Phil may be the Rockies next Manager!

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Nice!

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
4 years ago

so…whats the most idel front office in the MLB up to these days?

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
4 years ago

I’m not saying they should bring in players. I’m mostly talking about them divesting talent and the lack of action. Rockies have always sat around, watched all the dominos fall into place and realize that everyone already addressed all their needs already and the Rox excuse turns out to be “we really liked where we were at with our current roster”. Meanwhile the guys they should have traded are blocking the prospects. See Brad Hawpe, Garret Atkins, etc. Time to… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
4 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

I guess the question is: is there more supply or more demand for OFs? IMO the supply in OFs seems higher than the demand. Furthermore, the teams in contention that need an OF are going to be fine paying FA prices and save their prospects for midseason deals. Eg. sign Dexter Fowler in lieu of trading for Blackmon. After the FAs are signed the Rox are going to be looking at historically cheap teams who want a controllable player like… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
4 years ago

Tulo was traded months ago and all the Cargo and Blackmon talk is just that. Its time to pull the trigger this offseason before the 3 teams vying for Cargo becomes 1 team and your leverage is gone. IMO its not that Monfart meddles, its that he’s indecisive. Hemming and hawing over what to do until the point in which there’s only the 1 choice left and it usually isn’t the best one to make. Lets contemplate, was the midseason… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

Prog….I’m hoping you’re wrong, but thinking you’re correct. I believe the Dodgers are going to beat us to a deal with the White Sox…..a team (the WS) that we match up very nicely with.

My gut instinct as always said Monfart meddles way too much in personnel decisions. So we can’t move as quickly as needed (if at all). He probably had to go to therapy after the Tulo deal…….so we were unable to make other deadline deals.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Unfortunately – I was correct. WS/Dodgers/Reds complete 3 team trade and WS give up Frankie Montas (I higher – or at least equal – rated Prospect as Carson Fulmer). So the WS did give up one of their nice pitching Prospects to get a bat (at 3rd – probably more important to them than OF). Regardless, it’s safe to now mark them off the Cargo list.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

I’ve read from various (and always reliable – ha!) internet sources that Nats are considering Brandon Phillips and he even contacted Daniel Murphy’s Agent. Perhaps a Cargo/LeMahieu package might entice them to deal several of their young pitchers. Nothing wrong with one stop shopping!

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Three team trades always confuse me. It’s a lot of information for my poor feeble brain to process. But this Dodgers/White Sox/Reds trade is a real head scratcher. Let me see if I get this; White Sox get Todd Frazier. They needed an impact bat, a 3Bman, and he’s relatively cheap. So I get it from their end. Dodgers get Frankie Montas and Micah Johnson (a poor man’s Dee Gordon). I REALLY get it from their end. Reds – get… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

The strange offseason for the Dodgers continues. Free Agent (near) signing Hisashi Iwakuma falls through due to questionable physical, so Iwakuma resigns with Mariners. This on the heels of the near trade for Aroldis Chapman. So basically……the Dodgers pitching staff is still where it ended in 2015 with the huge exception of missing Zack Greinke, and having a pissed off, nearly left at the alter, Closer in Kenley Jansen. Mark my words……these guys will do something major before the start… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
4 years ago

Fun question: What MLB team would you think appears on the most no-trade clauses?

Its hard to say any team would appear more than the Rockies, right? You have to think almost every half decent pitcher that would have such a clause would have us on there. Maybe Miami because of their shit management/ownership, but what multi-millionaire wouldn’t love to spend their off days in South Beach.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

That is an interesting question but I suspect that the Rockies is not the answer. From what I have seen the more likely a team is to want to trade for a particular person, the more likely that team is to be on the player’s no trade list. A few players actually put teams on their no trade list because they don’t want to go there but most put teams on their no trade list as leverage to gain better… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

Well – I can certainly see the Rockies being on many-a-pitcher’s no trade list. But we shouldn’t be on any everyday player’s no trade list. So I’m not sure where that puts us in the big scheme of things.

Julian
Julian
4 years ago

With the number of free agent outfielders remaining, I’m concerned that we may not find a trade partner for CarGo.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

This appears to be a good, fair deal for everyone involved. Good for Otto!

I’m completely comfortable, and even bullish, on RPers returning from TJ. Since we’re destined for a disasterous 2016, I advocate being very cautious and ease Otto back slowly. That being said, it would be cool to see him get about 20 live innings late in 16.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

12/10/15 – Rosell Herrara signed as Minor League FA.
12/15/15 – Jason Gurka signed as Minor League FA.
12/18/15 – Gonzalez Germen signed as Minor League FA and assigned to Albuquerque.
12/19/15 – Jackson Williams Catcher signed as Minor League FA and assigned to Albuquerque.

Gary
Gary
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Lots of other teams are actually signing REAL major leaguers to minor and major league deals.Of course just like last year we stand pat!

Gary
Gary
4 years ago

Merry Christmas to you all and thanks for letting me post my often drunken rants and ideas on our great site.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Gary

They’re awesome Gary -keep them coming.

IggyRox
IggyRox
4 years ago

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone. Thanks for the many hours of good reading (and me composing rants) that RWO provides. Would say I’m looking forward to another great season… perhaps I’ll just say looking forward to the discussions.

John

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

The Padres have a mess on their hands as a “mentally ill man” took legal title to Petco Park by filing out a deed transfer, as David Garrick of U-T San Diego writes. The man, Derris Devon McQuaig, cannot truly claim ownership to the building, but he can create a hassle for others. “I don’t think in any way it would be deemed credible because it’s pretty clearly just a ‘wild deed’ that has no legal sufficiency,” Olson said. “But… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

Rockies sign Yohan Flande. I assume that it is as a Minor league free agent.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rockies-re-sign-yohan-flande.html

Pooter
Pooter
4 years ago

Yankees sign Ardolis Chapman. I would have liked it if the Rockies traded for him with the incentive to once again be a starting pitcher. Do the same with Wade Davis. Have fireball closer mentality pitchers in the starting rotation. Think outside the box….

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Pooter

The Yankees are thinking Chapman 9th and mixing and matching Betances and Miller in the 7th and 8th. They’ve shortened the game to 6 innings. The big enough, powerful enough, and rich enough to pull this off.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Brilliant move really. They get to audition him for a year to see if they want him as a FA. If not……they will likely get a compensation pick.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

Mike McKenry signs minor league deal with Rangers.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rangers-sign-michael-mckenry.html

Gary
Gary
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Good for him.Great guy and team mate from all accounts.

Gary
Gary
4 years ago

Happy New Year to all! I do expect it to be even more painful than last year and have given up on ever seeing another World Series team here in my lifetime.Regardless of talent and prospects the Monforts will never spend enough to compete with the other teams in the division let alone all of MLB.That being said,I still think $ 10,000 a pitch{Greinke} is obscene and tarnishes my love for the game! Happy New Year anyway.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

At least we don’t have to worry about the Rockies bringing back Kyle Kendrick. He has signed a minor league deal with the Braves.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/braves-to-sign-kyle-kendrick.html

Gary
Gary
4 years ago

Although not a native I’ve been here since 1976 and I noticed something in the Post I believe pertinent to all Denver b-ball fans.An obit of a guy in a Cardinals cap caught my eye earlier in the week.It was for Vern Rapp.Denver Bears coach and manager as well as big league Manager and coach of Cards and others.I know he is very well liked and respected in all Denver baseball circles.Just thought I’d mention it and say R.I.P.Vern.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Gary
Gary
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

If he could have a healthy season he might be worth it.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

The lunacy continues.

Rockies sign Parra for $27.5MM on a 3 year deal. Still have all their current outfielders also.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/01/rockies-to-sign-gerardo-parra.html

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
4 years ago

Its seems like a lot for a 30 year old, 3rd best outfielder, on a last place team.

If we were the Cubs or Mets I’d say “great signing”.

To me this just says we’re adding a guy that adds to the block in David Dahl’s eventual progression.

Reminds me of adding Ty Wiggington or Jose Lopez or Kevin Kousmanoff to play 3rd base when you know that you really should be letting Nolan Arenado play some games in 2012.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

I’m withholding judgement until everything plays out. In a vacuum, it essentially makes no sense. Also, seems like a big part of the “sell” to Parra (whom I like) is playing alongside his longtime buddy Cargo. So let’s take that at face value. That means either Dickerson or Blackmon gets moved. Parra shouldn’t play CF. So that makes Dickerson is the (more) logical choice. I’m OK with that……as long as the return is correct. To me, Dickerson should bring more… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

At this point the Rockies have not been able to trade any of their current outfielders for various reasons with the main reason being that the rest of the league don’t feel the Rockies outfielders are worth what the Rockies are asking. Now they go out and sign a surplus outfielder thereby signalling to the rest of the league that the Rockies also don’t believe their outfielders are worth keeping making it even harder to get what they want in… Read more »

Gary
Gary
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Agreed Bob! In a vacuum Carp—everything the ROX do is in a vacuum or in a universe full of laughing gas.Terrible waste of money for no good reason.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Gary

I like it (meaning your comment…..not the deal).

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago

Thoughts: 1. Parra is not very good. Projects as a below average hitter, which is particularly bad if you are a corner outfielder. He has a good defensive rep, coming off what advanced fielding stats say was an awful defensive year. I’ll assume he recovers and is at least average range-wise with a good arm. That means he’s better overall than a Cuddyer, so this signing doesn’t come close to that one on the idiocy scale. 2. Would people stop… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Not a peep about RHed Austin Jackson, who could really use a 1 year pillow contract. Not a peep.

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago

Correction: don’t know why I was thinking Parra was a RH bat … I guess because acquiring another LH bat makes even less sense. Oh well …

Gary
Gary
4 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Exactly,idiot signing to go with geriatric bullpen signings.Glad I’m cancelling ROOT.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Gary

Gary – agree. The Motte and especially Qualls signings were pure lunacy. The only logical (there I go again……attempting to apply logic to the BSCS) reason is that Miguel Castro will transitioned to a SP.

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago

Here’s the thing: these signings aren’t awful because they don’t have any negative impact on our (if we’re lucky!) competition window, which doesn’t open until at least 2019. But they are frustrating because they reek of O’Dowdism. Do folks realize that the Rockies just committed $16 million per season over the next 2 years to guys who may — if they are very, very lucky — add about 3 wins to our total per season? Look, I don’t control the… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Step up to the final rung on the ladder……its Monfartism…..not O’Dowdism or Bridichism.

Doc
Doc
4 years ago

What’s this window everyone is talking about? The playoffs every 5 year-window which is now 7? IMHO any talk of windows or long-range plan is purely delusional.

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago

Well, they can’t move Blackmon unless they’re willing to stick Parra in CF, which would be a really bad idea. Maybe they’re more confident than we think that Dahl will be ready by early summer? I still think the Parra signing makes sense only if Cargo is on the way out, and only if Cargo can bring an actual highly rated pitching prospect.

Gary
Gary
4 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

You forget the other BIG signing of Barnes, obviously to roam center and hit .225 with his RH bat speed.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
4 years ago

Sometimes reality is harsh: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-decline-of-carlos-gonzalez-star-player/ Given the decline of Cargo (and his contract) vs. the relatively friendly contract of Blackmon and very friendly contract (and age) of Dickerson, the truth is we’re probably getting better offers for Dickerson and Blackmon. As Ag and others have noted, Parra doesn’t need to be playing CF. With that in mind (and given the reality of the market and the value (or lack thereof) of our players), my hope is that Dickerson is the… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago

Gary, somehow I did forget about Brandon Barnes, the answer to my question: “How can we actually do WORSE than Drew Stubbs?” carp, I think you’re on to something. Bridich’s main role is Monfort Management. I have a feeling Bridich would be all-in on the rebuild, but instead he’s forced to placate Monfort by making a series of minor moves to keep the Rockies from plummeting into the 100+ loss range. This isn’t necessarily awful, and Bridich has done a… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

Arenado signed for 1 year for $5MM.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

Charlie Blackmon has filed for $3.9MM, Rockies offered $2.7MM.

DJ LeMahieu has filed for $3.3MM, Rockies offered $2.8MM.

http://transactions.mlbtraderumors.com/widget/arbitration-submissions&link=true&widget=true&YEAR=2015&submission_signed_YN=2

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Chris Davis (re)signs with the O’s, 6 years, 161M. These Scott Boras negotiations are getting predictable. To me, Cespedes is clearly the next most desirable player because he’s not tied to a compensation pick. I’m going to laugh if he ends up back with the Tigers. If that occurs…..they leased him to the Mets for 2 months and Michael Fulmer. Not a bad gig! Since the White Sox first pick is protected, Justin Upton makes sense for them. I pity… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

The Royals are giving up their pick for signing Ian Kennedy to a 5 year $70MM deal.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/01/royals-to-sign-ian-kennedy.html

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

I’m so glad they did that instead of us.

From Kennedy’s standpoint, great deal.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

RMH has been a consistent proponent of Kyle Freeland. Here’s an excellent update that validates RMH’s optimism;

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/sunday-notes-orioles-analytics-freeland-expos-more/

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