Is the Season Over? Addendum

Wow! One of the best round-robins at roxwalkoff in a while. I meant it, the team should make all of us part of their GM staff – good eyes, great insight, and tough questions. No “Yes Men” anywhere on this site!

As I read these comments its great to hear that the passion is still here….the question remains whether we are wasting that passion on ++this year or we need to put in the closet (or deep freeze?) for 2015,2016, 2017….

1) I agree with the points about DJ (made many of them before myself but not as concise or insightful), but as I have pointed out, in addition to the lack of the developing a closer from within (wouldn’t you love Kimbrel here, that was what Casey Weathers might have been, but he is part of the 10-15% of TJ guys who don’t come back – never regain control), we haven’t come close to developing a real, solid, even slightly above league-average 2nd bager.

Rutledge should have been that guy…but he cannot glove. Trevor Story might be that guy, but he Ks a lot – can we live with 20%Ks from our 2nd baseman if he brings pop, speed, and a good glove? If you say yes, do not come on here and complain about him when he Ks in key spots. I would love Altuve or someone like him, but 2nd base is not a prime position where people either draft or trade real prospect to try and bring value. Part of the reason paying Cano $200million is so daft. What to do with Rut? Yes, teach him the OF, but he can go do winter ball and work on his D. One more year I say. DJ at home is great – he hits like everyone does. On the road is the D worth such poor output when you struggle scoring? Before we go after an Altuve or the like, do you want to spend your assets (salary and prospects) upgrading at 2nd, after catcher the least impact offensive position?

2) The CarGo issue is clearly a hot one here. I can tell that a lot of you never really cared for him – part of is the Ks, the all-too-easy defense, and the bad ABs. But when you talk to scouts and GMs, he is among the 10 best position players in the MLB…when healthy. We  are now on the 3rd season of injuries – 2 years ago it was due to the running into the wall (which he is on orders to not do anymore), last year the freak finger injury, this year, the tendinitis that tends to come with knee injuries. Yes, for goodness sakes, put him on the DL and keep him there til it is significantly better. But, folks, we need this guy. The reason he looks lackadaisical is that he makes the hard look easy. Trade him? Right now, zero value because of the injury. But when he is healthy he gives this team a chance to win on the road and plays Gold Glove D in the huge LF of Coors.  What would we get back? Do you want to eat huge money to get rid of him…because that is what we would have to do? Want you really want to limit our payroll with dead money just to dump a player who when healthy can carry this team? Really? That is where we are at for getting him signed after 2010, which hasn’t quite paid off but you never know (have gotten a lot still)

3) Corey Dickerson is one of the most interesting pieces. I was excited to see him play more when Cuddy got injured and want to see more of him when CarGo goes on the DL. His offensive is obvious – power, good contact, yes he strikes-out a lot, but mostly when he gets homer happy. He hits well on the road and home. He has good enough speed to run the bases and play defense. He has worked hard on his defense the past few years and is, if you take out the Coors impact, is about league-average…can it get better? Right now he looks good in the occasional AB vs lefties but cannot be run out there daily against lefties. A platoon is still a good idea, for now. I like the Stubbs, Dickerson platoon. But next spring they need to see if he can play everyday. I think he is not just Seth Smith (who has been great this year!), he has a chance…a chance, to be an All-Star one-day (not continuously but occasionally). Is he ready to replace CarGo? While on the DL, yes! Long-term…not ready to do that yet.

4) The veteran Free Agents are going to be tough. Do you re-sign Cuddy as a utility man going forward (you cannot have a 36-year old playing OF at Coors everyday)? If he plays decent 3B the next few weeks, I can see that….at a big pay cut obviously. Belisle, if he pitches this way all season long (take a look at the May numbers…one of the best relievers in baseball not a closer in May). But relievers are so up-and-down (but come on, isn’t it great to see Matt back, maybe better than ever right now).  If you re-sign him, can you get a hometown discount? Then there is DLR – you cannot let him go folks. You have to have a vet to be the leader of this staff. And this is again, the only guy who has ever consistently been able to beat Coors. As I said earlier, the decision to not re-sign this off-season was to give them flexibility if the season goes bad to trade him and re-sign over the off-season.  They MUST resign him, as you have seen his year already, he is the reason that this team doesn’t have long losing streaks. THEY MUST RESIGN HIM!

5) If they are throwing Morales again…wow…I just don’t get it. Yes, if they had lived with 5 innings from him last outing he would have given up only 4 runs (3 on, by the radio broadcast, a very wind-blown homer), which is okay for a 5th starter. But really, his May numbers are bad enough to get him DFA. They really do not believe any of their prospects are ready. Winkler didn’t have a great outing last time but still managed to keep it at 2 runs. I agree he should be on the 40, and should be here…been saying it for months (I was on Winkler last year as I was on Christian Bergman…a very good alternative to Morales), but before we all complain (okay I have been already), Mark Wiley was brought here to be the pitching coordinator and in just 2 years look at the growth in our pitchers. So if he says, wait, as frustrating as it is to wait with Morales and Nicasio and Chacin killing this team, he has earned the right to be trusted.

6) I read all about this guy at the farm and that guy…are we suggesting dumping all vets and going young? Are we going to be the Astros? I hope that is not what I am hearing! Yes we need a constant inflow of arms to the bullpen (and starters). It will be interesting to see how Boone recovers the next few months, and if there are issues if they try and deal him away (perhaps back to Yankees or White Sox both clubs who liked him when he pitched there) – at that point just a 2 year deal. That deal has to work. But Martin, Bettis, Sitton, and others are going to likely be parts of this pen going forward.

7) And the comments about Wilin. He has had a horrible May – he always has a horrible May, after usually a good April. His June’s are usually really strong (plus he is still getting healthy). Aside from that big three-run homer on that last trip he has been a negative offensively. But of course the bigger issue is defense – mostly game calling, pitch framing and the passed balls/wild pitches. He is much improved at the passed ball problem. He is getting better at framing. But I think both he and Pacheco call awful games. Word from Tulsa is that Tom Murphy calls a great game, and is surprisingly solid defensively. What they were hoping is that he would follow-up last year’s great season at High A and last month at Tulsa to continue to hit and hit well. It didn’t happen, he struggled hugely in April, as in .172 AVG and OPS of .600.  May has been a nice recovery: .278 and .951.

They are hoping Murphy is the next “catcher of the future” and can displace Rosario, allowing them to move him elsewhere in the line-up  or, more likely, deal him (probably to the AL, yes). The off-season told us all we needed to know in their pursuit of two high-priced veteran catchers. Murphy may yet end up here this year (what they do with Pacheco…still don’t know but he could be a nice utility player or trade piece). Again, the main reason is how much the pitchers at Tulsa (and Modesto last year) rave about his game calling.

Conclusion

So…that is a long response to everyone’s response and why I decided to make it another separate post.

Sorry rmh, I am not ready to say adios to the season quite yet…too much potential and too many games yet to play. If you look at offensive numbers and pitching, this team isn’t just two teams – home and road – its two team – April and May. Then again it was 9 home and 15 road, and those road games were against good pitching largely. So which team are they – April or May? Road or Home? Or something entirely else? So I remain optimistic but I am now at the Reagan level – Trust but verify – they must kick serious bum the next 3 weeks, huge run at home and closer to .500 on the road.

I think we can all agree for that to happen they must:

1)      Either get back April Morales or find a league-average alternative

2)      Chacin must be Chacin

3)      They must get adequate defense and good offense from 3B alternatives until Arenado hopefully return earlier

4)      Cargo must either become healthy or go on the DL – and get hot. He is still the most dangerous bat on this team after Tulo. Once healthy, what do you think of  a return of him to lead-off and move Charlie B down in the order to get more RBIs? They did it before…

5)      The pitchers must must must do better at high-leverage settings – that is what has killed all of the rotation aside from DLR and is the reason why the bullpen is 2-11. They can pitch well 90% of the time and then comes the high-leverage situation and they catch either too much of the plate or are pitching behind in the count

6)      Tulo must be the Tulo since early April until the last 10 days

7)      The Ks must decrease and walks must increase

8)      Someone new must get hot

 

Do I understand the feedback correctly? Do you think this team can accomplish all or most of this list of 8?  If so, are you ready to leave rmh at the pessimist bar, waiting for someone to come along and keep him from being stuck playing solitaire? Or, is this too much for a team that if its bullpen was even average in high-leverage settings, would be 6-7 games over .500?  Even bad teams (Toronto last year and Houston this year) have long winning streaks, we haven’t had ours (be we a good team or bad)…so time to get going!

Whose up for some Lets Go Rockies!

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rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
6 years ago

I need just two things – rotation giving length and CarGo right his ship. Then I’ll move up the bar to optimist stool.

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
6 years ago

rmh…
OMG!! It is confirmed!

Chopped liver sauteed in kerosene has been found to contain poisonous substances harmful to RWOers. Subsequently, he has been dropped from the menu!

Will new chef, Eddie the Butler, hang around or will he be washing dishes in 2 weeks?

Gary
Gary
6 years ago

Amazing that after the last few years of Helton bashing[some deservedly so],no one has mentioned one negative about first base defense or offense.Nor should they.What I don’t understand is where is the love for Morneau? This guy has been more than anyone hoped for in ST.DOD hit a home run with this one.Hell at least give the guy credit for being faster than Helton[of course so is Ed the Ump].

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
6 years ago
Reply to  Gary

Gary…I resemble that remark!

Gary
Gary
6 years ago
Reply to  EdtheUmp

Ed,thanks for taking that in the right vein.Alot of the posters know you so I was using you rather than my unknown self.I’m a 68 year old Vietnam Vet with two bad knees and 50 extra pounds that somehow snuck up on me.I couldn’t outrun my 2 year old grandson.Thanks for understanding.

Jeem
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Jeem
6 years ago
Reply to  Gary

Helton basher I was– Morneau has been a great successor.

sdcarp
sdcarp
6 years ago

Eddie Butler to be promoted and start Friday against the Dodgers.

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
6 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Rumor or truth?

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
6 years ago

After a loss tonight, nice to hear Eddie Butler up. Still need at least one more pitcher up from the pipeline. Also it’s meaningless if we can’t hit anymore. Our road woes continued at home tonight in front of me.

Gary
Gary
6 years ago

Yep.Two runs at Coors won’t win many ballgames.DLR showed why I agree with Dr._C that we need to try and resign him.Three runs,seven innings and he had nothing working thru three.Quality VETERAN start-didn’t blow up-kept us in the game.

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