Jim Tracy Contract Extended?

Who would have guessed that the first news out of the Rockies camp would have nothing to do with a pitcher or a catcher, but in fact a manager?  It looks like the Rockies and Jim Tracy have agreed to an extension to Tracy’s contract giving him an “opportunity to finish (his) career in this uniform if (he’d) like to do so.  It is being reported that there  is a “handshake agreement” according to the Rockies official Twitter Feed which reads:

#Rockies & Manager Jim Tracy have a handshake agreement for Tracy to continue to be a part of the organization’s leadership team.

A followup tweet by the team reads:

#Rockies Dan O’Dowd: “We expect this relationship to continue for a number of years…We are building a culture of value together in a world of performance.”

Troy Renck has posted a little more information based on his knowledge, by tweeting:

What it all means, is that organization has committed to Tracy. Kind of like a roll-over deal in many ways.

The assumption (by mlbtr.comis that by extending Tracy it will remove the “lame-duck manager” status going into the season, while still giving the team a way to cut-ties should the team under-perform in 2012.

SiriusXM had Tracy on for a conversation on MLB Roundtrip and asked him about the contract extension.  Here is what Tracy had to say:

It is a handshake on a contract extension and because of some conversation that I’ve had over the weekend and what has taken place here with people…that have become very much a part of me also.  The conversation basically stems around the fact of having an opportunity of managing this basically…until I don’t want to manage it anymore.  And what more flattering statement can you make to somebody then that one that they made to me over the course of a few days or so.  Because of this organization and because of the way it allows my personality to come out the way I want it to and be who I want it to be, which helps me to manage baseball teams the way I like to manage them – there’s no other place that I want to be…and I have every intention of finishing my career in a Colorado Rockies uniform – that’s what it means.

The interviewer went on to ask if this was something that would be reevaluated each year on a yearly basis:

Yeah, you know what, that’s basically where it is and when you work for a man, and an ownership group, like I am privileged to work for with Dick Monfort, and this guy looks you in the eye and shakes your hand and tells you what he said to me a few days ago, he’s got a real real good memory and he doesn’t forget what he’s said and it’s extremely flattering.  What he was saying to me was basically, you have an opportunity to finish your career in this uniform if you’d like to do so.  Well, I would like to do that number one, but number two there’s still some things that are left un-accomplished here that hopefully under my watch while I’m still here I want to see that they get done in a Rockies uniform.  That’s the love affair and how much I respect this organization and the way they’ve treated me.

 

 

 

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ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
8 years ago

I’m really hoping it has a minimal buy out feature at the end of this year. I like the guy, but for being a strategy type coach I think he makes a lot of bad plays, doesn’t call for the bunt enough, holds onto PH to long, etc.

If this team bounces back to 85+ wins I’d bring him back, otherwise, move on.

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
8 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

Agreed, but I also think there cab be issues from being a lame duck. Would the players listen, would the mgr make bold moves knowing his neck was on the line, or would he default to over conservatism? My least favorite managers are the ones who simply let the players succeed or fail. I really feel, especially late in games, that a managerial decision can be the move to win a game. It eats me up inside to see man… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
8 years ago

Impossible to say what exactly this means……since we don’t know the details of the contract. There could be all sorts of “out” clauses on both sides. I see this as removing any question, or spotlight, from the Manager before the season ever begins. Keep in mind many a Manager/Coach has been given the dreaded “vote of confidence” just before being fired. Not suggesting firing is imminent, but also not suggesting Tracy will be in Denver three years from now. This… Read more »

Matt G
Matt G
8 years ago

Yea – I don’t know what this means any more than anyone else. Did Jim Tracy just receive ‘tenure’? We all know how well that works out in the educational arena. Win 85+, play in October, and then have this sort of conversation. The bottom line is that Tracy is 1 for 3, and his team’s output has declined each season. Make him earn this kind of nod. I’m getting really sick of this “he shares the same values” b.s.… Read more »

TJ in Phoenix
TJ in Phoenix
8 years ago
Reply to  Matt G

“tenure”…that got me chuckling as I work in higher education (on the administrative side, not the academic side). Hopefully JT will do more than lecture a bit, publish a couple articles on MLB.com, and do a little research. 🙂

I feel like he’s a good mind, but not sure always pulls the right moves. Then again, he does better than I do.

rox4brains
rox4brains
8 years ago

Obviously, this means the hot seat is under O’Dowd now. He blew things up this off season, admitted he made some bad personnel choices last year, didn’t have enough depth in regard to talent, and will have to take credit, whichever way things work out. Of course The Rox will win 90 games this year so don’t fret everyone! 😉

Robb
Robb
8 years ago

Jim Tracy is not a good manager in my opinion. Last year when the wheels started coming off, where was he? He should have lit a fire under Ian Stewart. He also screws around with the lineup way too much and gives veterans like Wigginton way too much slack. Too much like Hurdle for my taste. Good baseball guy and nice man, but a head-scratch inducing strategist.

Ryan
Ryan
8 years ago

More evidence of the Rockies commitment to mediocrity. Does Tracy have incriminating photos of the Monfort bros?

GARY
GARY
8 years ago

I knew this one would get the ether fuming! In a news release on S.I.,they make it sound like Tracy is here for life.Basicly the Walter Alston of the ROX.If so,I know alot of you are going to be less than happy,and alot of ITR posters still “missing in action” even more so.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
8 years ago

I think JT is a great manager and he kept screwing around with the lineups and not doing more in bunt situations only because the cards he had were incapable of getting it done when it had to be done.

Ryan
Ryan
8 years ago

I think you are the most optimistic baseball fan I have ever come across.

Bob in WV
Bob in WV
8 years ago

RMH, I wouldn’t call Tracy a great manager, but something inside me says that he is better than what we saw last year. Managing is much more than making more correct in-game decisions than your opponent. It’s about taking 25 young and old athletes of completely different backgrounds and personalities and working through a long schedule. It includes lineup changes that keep the veterans healthy (Helton), give the leaders a breather (Tulo), and get the bench players enough playing time… Read more »

Wayne
Wayne
8 years ago
Reply to  Bob in WV

Well said Bob in WV. While JT had me scratching my head last season (as did DOD) I am willing to wait and see if he has learned anything.

Deep Purple
Deep Purple
8 years ago

While a little (or a lot, depending upon how you look at it) security and consistency is probably a good thing (don’t forget that back in the day managers like Walter Alston, Tommy Lasorda and others like Ron Gardenhire had very long-term deals and succeeded at least most of the time), another thing to remember is this: A verbal agreement is not worth the paper it’s printed on (thanks, Groucho). All that said, I am a firm believer that the… Read more »

Rich M
Rich M
8 years ago

I think Shanny had a lifetime deal with the Broncos too and he just might be in Washington now? BTW I was really hoping for a slow 2012 start and a June 1st dismissal of J Tracy, but there goes that baseball dream of mine – dang! Someone said it better above than I can, but this team just has no accountability for performance as evidenced by retaining the GM and the Manager after the “most” disppointing season (2011) in… Read more »

Doc
Doc
8 years ago

I think it’s time for another survey, Jaredean. Not about whether we’re in favor of Dan O’s vote of eternal confidence in JT, but as to how many times this season we’ll find ourselves jumping out of our chairs, screaming at the bonehead move JT made or failed to make. Maybe an over and under as to how many loses we’ll be able to lay at his doorstep as compared to how many victories his micro managing is responsible for.

Bill
Bill
8 years ago

When I first heard about this last night I almost went crazy. How do you give a guy a “lifetime” extension for having a record that declines every year? Is this all the Monferts are doing to win> But the more I think about it, I don’t really think it means much at all. Under the transactions listing in the Post this morning it said that Tracy had his contract extended through 2013. So if it’s a handshake agreement with… Read more »

jaredean
jaredean
8 years ago
Reply to  Bill

Bill, after listening to the interview i transcribed above Tracy indicated that the handshake was with Monfort, not O’Dowd. If it was O’Dowd I wouldn’t be as concerned in the long term effects of the decision.

Pooter
Pooter
8 years ago

When I read this article I think of the little kid on Sandlot saying “FOOOORREEVVER”!!

TJ in Phoenix
TJ in Phoenix
8 years ago
Reply to  Pooter

“YOU’RE KILLING ME SMALLS”

Sorry..had to.

sabrchip
sabrchip
8 years ago
Reply to  Pooter

So…seeing that there is some weird kind of consensus that responsibilty for the team’s wins and losses belongs to managers/players/coaches/front office, how do we track this? Do we set up a thread here that lets everyone weigh in after each game on just whose responsible? Something simple: 25 words or less on whose responsible. I know that the in the course of the season everyone’s gonna jump all over those losses but I’d like to start tracking that myself. Do… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
8 years ago
Reply to  sabrchip

Thats would be interesting. A simple poll for each game, not sure if doable. It might be a pain if we listed all 25 players and the manager in every poll. But something standarized with maybe 10 categories might be a concise way to evaluate the game. Each category have 3 rating options. Bad, Fair, Good Starting Pitching Middle Relief Closers Fielding Baserunning Hitters 1-3 Hitters 4-6 Hitters 5-9 Clutch Hitting Managerial Decisions Pitching Managerial Decisions Defense Managerial Decisions Offense… Read more »

Bob in WV
Bob in WV
8 years ago
Reply to  Pooter

Trouble is, hindsight is ALWAYS 20-20. Sometimes decisions are made based on communication of information in the dugout that we are not privy to. Sometimes a manager has to manage to the moment at hand, other times he has to lay back and let the players develop. For players to develop, there will always be some steps back to go with the leaps forward. Sometimes those backward steps happen at inopportune times. Again, managing is about the grind of 162… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
8 years ago

not sure how to load an image, but this made me lol

http://themavesite.com/wp/pictures/infinite-power

Jeem
Jeem
8 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

There are simple solutions to all problems.

jaredean
jaredean
8 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

Prog, that is classic!

I’ve resisted the temptation of allowing images to be placed in comments because I didn’t want the comments section to look too “cluttered”…but, if the majority of you guys think having images in comments would help i’ll look into adding that option…

I do still want to add a thumb up/down to the comments as soon as i’m comfortable with setting up a new way and not losing our conversations thus far…

Bob in WV
Bob in WV
8 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

Jaredean, you can alway give it a try and retract it later if it isn’t up to par.

DrRockies
Editor
DrRockies
8 years ago

some good postings here guys… My reaction when I saw the headline was to wonder( like many of you) what was between the lines here. Were we talking a long term deal, a “compete and stay” pact or more of a confidence building agreement. After listening to several talk show reactions, I believe this “handshake” agreement was an agreement that there is faith in JT’s managing ability, there is confidence that he is in line with the organization (culture, direction)… Read more »

DrRockies
Editor
DrRockies
8 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

absolutely correct Jaredean! that was the main point that many players stated at the time: that they knew they were coming to the park and penciled in the lineup regardless if they had an 0 for 5 game the previous day. As you pointed out, it brought stability and confidence to the players who felt they could give it their best effort and not worry about making mistakes. I know we can only hope that JT migrates back to the… Read more »

Ryan
Ryan
8 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

I’m not sure if I could agree with this one any more than I do.

Bseus
Bseus
8 years ago

Im a huge fan of JTs ability and character..Im in a 100%. The Handshake shows a trust that would make anyone want to succeed..The Rox are well on their way..Now lets get Blackmon in there and get this party started!!!!

Bob K.
Bob K.
8 years ago

Here is a link to a Pittsburgh Pirate blog where the fellow rated Jim Tracy, Gene Lamont,
Lloyd McClendon and John Russell.

http://tinyurl.com/6vzs4do

Ryan
Ryan
8 years ago

I guess the manager had nothing to do with that bad clubhouse culture that O’Dowd spent the entire offseason trying to change.

Rich M
Rich M
8 years ago

Bob K – that was an interesting review of Pirate managers – thanks! The part that hit me over the head was “..the team seemed to quit on him (JT) during the second half of the season.” That right there is my biggest problem with J Tracy, as he does not command respect from his players nor is he involved enough with the players to control the locker room. DanO better update that resume oh his, because I almost certain… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
8 years ago
Reply to  Rich M

One of the parts that I found interesting was that on a scale of 1 to 5 he ranked Tracy at 0 for his ability to evaluate talent.

On Intentional Talk on MLBTV tonight, Chris Rose was incredulous that a team would extend a manager who is going in the wrong direction (2nd place then 3rd place and last year 4th place). Kevin Millar said it isn’t what you know but who you know.

GARY
GARY
8 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Maybe we are trying to instill the “ROX Way”,the same way Epstein is trying to instill the “Cubs Way”.The problem with that-and it made me laugh when I read it on S.I.-is the Cubs haven’t been to the world series in over a CENTURY.Now we may have Tracy as manager for a decade or more,seemingly regardless of performance.At least Connie Mack owned the team he managed in perpetuity!I’m not a Tracy hater,but a distruster.The only way this makes sense is… Read more »

Liz
Liz
8 years ago

Thought the Gene Lamont thing was great thanks for the link. Yes, I want Tracy gone, he does not chew gum and bounce a baseball in the dug out, however, he is just as annoying. I never get the impression he is managing the same game I am watching.

sabrchip
sabrchip
8 years ago

Whoops Gary, The Cubs last won a WS in 1908 but since 1918 they’ve lost 6 WS, the last in 1945. And since the Rox came along in 1993, the Cubs have been to the post season 4 times (1998 to 2008). One more than our Rox. I do follow your statement about accountability and agree for the most part, but that’s what a manager is hired to be, the fall guy. Casey Stengel and Joe Torre were “horrible” managers… Read more »

sabrchip
sabrchip
8 years ago

Gary

I do follow your statement about accountability and agree for the most part, but that’s what a manager is hired to be, the fall guy. Casey Stengel and Joe Torre were “horrible” managers before joining the Yankees.

sabrchip
sabrchip
8 years ago

Whoops me, Sorry for the duplicate post. jaredean am looking forward to your game grade page. don’t know if it needs to be as extensive as Prog’s idea, but I’m sure everyone knows when a particular event or performance has an effect on the game’s outcome. something like Street giving up a game winning dinger, after a blown fielding chance extends a game…but two innings earlier Tulo’s stretching a 2B to 3B had given the team to go ahead in… Read more »

sabrchip
sabrchip
8 years ago

wear’s the spell cheker

GARY
GARY
8 years ago
Reply to  sabrchip

Thanks for being my facts checker.As a closet Cubs fan,I did know their recent successes[???],and was refering to winning the WS.One of the things I love about this site,and ITR,is the super knowledge and yet polite way people correct error but still listen to the opinion.Probably doesn’t help that I’ve usually had a few “pops”by the time I log on to attempt intelligent discourse.LOL.

jaredean
jaredean
8 years ago
Reply to  GARY

oh man Gary, that made me laugh – “pops” – is that what it takes to post something intelligent around here? 🙂

Agbayani
Agbayani
8 years ago

Something that’s bothering me (yeah, what’s new ..). I saw Drew Soicher’s initial spring training story on Channel 9 news. His spin: hey, nobody expects the Rockies to win anything this year. Last year expectations were high and they collapsed. Maybe they’ll do better with the pressure off. And nobody on the club — Helton included — is even talking about the playoffs as a goal. Which sounds like a really easy excuse for failure. I’ve said it before: right… Read more »

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
8 years ago

I’m going to be in Vegas a few days before I head to Scottsdale. The LV Hilton has the Rox at 80.5 wins in their over/under prop bet. Here goes…I’m putting a hundo on the over for the Rox. I simply refuse to doubt that they will get to a minimum of 81 wins this season. If all goes well, jaredean and I will be coordinating “reports” from SRV@TS. Hopefully I’ll be able to get some good pics sent along… Read more »

DrRockies
Editor
DrRockies
8 years ago
Reply to  EdtheUmp

hit it right on the money Ed! there is a reason JT is sitting in the dugout and we are watching..the LaRussa analogy is perfect- when your intuition succeeds, you are the Rhode Scholar of managers…fails and you are possibly the dumbest person this side of Canada (no disrespect of our friends and neighbors to the north!) Lots of work and analysis to do in the next month..looking forward to heading down in 2 weeks! Drew Goodman says Cargo launching… Read more »

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
8 years ago
Reply to  DrRockies

Dr Rockies… the Tavern in Scottsdale…90th and via lindaa(8880 i believe)…great sports bar, peanuts on the floor, off-track horse betting… i go to the saloon every home game around noon…couple of brewskies and then off to SRF… old guy, gray fumanchu mustache…rockies cap of some sort…usually some kind of hawaiian shirt… sit just inside the door to the left mostly…usually sitting with a couple other guys…join us if you care to…just ask the waitress in that area…they all know me…… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
8 years ago

Ed, I’m with you on betting the over…if I had the chance to go to Vegas I’d even put a few bucks down on winning the NL West. Have fun for the rest of us!

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
8 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

ayg…
good call…i may put a $20 on that prop bet…bet it pays at least 5-1…

i’ll keep RWO informed…

as for having fun, there’s not to many times i don’t…

great sports bar, sunshine and rockies baseball…be still my beating heart!

DrRockies
Editor
DrRockies
8 years ago
Reply to  EdtheUmp

thx Ed T.U.

Tavern only about a mile or 2 north of SRF so will make it a point to stop in. If you see a 6′ 6″ guy walk in wearing Rox stuff…look behind him cause that sure as heck ain’t me!

thanks for the tip..

Go Rox!

Miketober
Miketober
8 years ago

I for one am very unhappy about this news. I don’t care much for JTracy’s management these last 2 seasons: – the refusal to play small ball when the situation clearly calls for it, – the run on contact play, – the random batting order, – misusing the PH, – misusing the bullpen, – letting the pitcher hit for himself and then immediately replacing him with another pitcher (see misusing the PH), – the eagerness to play the hot hand… Read more »

Ryan
Ryan
8 years ago

From the Keith Law ESPN chat today. Obviously just one guys opinion, so take it for what it’s worth. (I do agree) “I assume this means when O’Dowd eventually loses his job, Tracy does too. I can’t believe ownership was comfortable with this. Tracy is the worst manager in the game right now, considering all aspects; I think he cost them a playoff berth in 2010 with his mismanaging. Why would Colorado commit to him long-term, even if it’s just… Read more »

Ike
Ike
8 years ago

I despise Jim Tracy as manager. However, I think too much is being made of this deal. Once the decision is made to bring Tracy back an extension makes sense in my book and this is really only a one year deal with a bunch of flowery words and potentially empty promises. Further, I think an extra year “severance” to a manager is the cost of doing business. I point to 2009 as an example. Without discussing whether Hurdle was… Read more »

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