Tulo and CarGo Address Jimenez Diss

With a sensational headline like, “Tulowitzki, CarGo rip ex-teammate Jimenez you’d expect more venom from Scott Miller’s article on CBSSports.com, but thankfully what you get are Tulo and Cargo’s honest thoughts about their ex-teammate Ubaldo Jimenez.

Miller caught up with both of the Rockies stars and asked them about Jimenez’ assertion that the Rockies didn’t treat him fairly.  Tulo responded by saying:

I don’t like bad-mouthing people…but it’s tough to hear those things.  While I’ve been here, everybody’s been treated fairly. There’s a certain point in this game where you go play and you shut your mouth. And you don’t worry about what other people are doing.

Cargo’s disappointment with Jimenez stems from his description of Cleveland “is like being in heaven”.  Gonzalez’ thoughts on that:

Sometimes players need a different place to play, a different atmosphere…The problem was, we all had great seasons [in 2010], Tulo got an extension, I got an extension, and he didn’t because he was under contract. He took a contract earlier than me and Tulo. Sometimes, you make decisions that hurt you later. You have to realize that no one forces you to do anything in this game. Every decision you make is going to be there for the rest of your life.  Once you make a contract decision, it’s always going to be there. As players, we just need to be smart about it. When you decide to sign a contract, you have to be smart about it…We play baseball, from my standpoint since I was about one-year-old, because we love it.  That’s what I love. That’s what I do. I started playing the game not because of the money, but because it’s what I like. We don’t play for contracts. There’s no other reason than to play the game we love the most.  When you make those decisions, you have to be smart and then you have to be happy. If you think you deserve more money, no. It’s what you get. It’s nobody’s fault.”

The article goes on to say that “several Rockies” stated “jealousy set in almost from the very beginning in 2011 over the new deals granted Tulowitzki and Gonzalez” and that “It was clear as early as the season’s first month that Jimenez had mentally checked out.”

When asked about it, Tulo went on to say:

You try to get a feel for a teammate, and we can’t get anything back…People ask, ‘Well, he’s your teammate, don’t you know what’s wrong with him?’  We tried to ask him. And we couldn’t get anything in return.

When asked if it made for an uncomfortable clubhouse, Tulo said:

Without a doubt.  You don’t know what the deal is. You begin hearing trade rumors, and once those started flying, you don’t hear a guy say, ‘This is the place I want to be.’ You don’t hear a guy say, ‘I don’t want to be traded.’  When you have a situation like that from a team standpoint, you think the guy wants to leave.

CarGo has run into Jimenez during spring training and said it was good to see him and went on to say, “we all wish him the best because he’s a great person and a great athlete.”

The article summed up CarGo’s thoughts, and reply to Jimenez’ statement about Cleveland being heaven, perfectly when he said:

Now…I feel like Denver’s heaven.

You can read the whole article HERE.

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Original Jimenez Interview Highlights:

In an exclusive interview with Tracy Ringolsby today, Ubaldo Jimenez admitted, for the first time, that he was looking to be traded last year coming into spring training.  He took it personal that Tulo and CarGo were signed to long-term contracts, while the team decided to wait on his extension.

I read in the paper that the Rockies said they were only going to sign two guys, they couldn’t do three guys…I was the third guy. They signed the two guys they were going to sign and they gave them more (years) and bigger (salaries).

After a tough spring training, with the infected finger, and an even harder start to the season Jimenez said he wasn’t healthy but still wanted to pitch.

The first two months of the season I tried to pitch through the problems, and I never was able to build up the arm strength for my velocity…It wasn’t the season I feel I should have, but I am happy I kept pitching…I was not going to get traded if I was on the disabled list. I wanted to move from Colorado (from the start of last spring). It wasn’t working for me with the team. So I was happy when I got traded.

The article goes on to say that Jimenez, even after the trade, was never 100%.  His arm was fatigued, but he didn’t want to stop trying.  He says that this spring his arm is much better and his velocity is up.  His first outing was terrible on the scoreboard, but in his mind he felt that the speed of his pitches, mixed with how many strikes he threw, was all he needed to consider it a successful day.

You can read the whole article HERE.

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Neil
Neil
8 years ago

Seems to be working out for him…;)…kidding aside, I honestly believe that O’Dowd made the right call with this deal…White’s and Pomeranz’s issues aside, Jimenez isn’t the same pitcher he was two years ago…I’ll take Pomeranz’s upside alone…sounds like sour grapes to me, too…Tulo and CarGo should be cornerstones for this club for many years to come…didn’t ever have the feeling or sense Jimenez should have been mentioned in the same breath regarding those two and what they mean to… Read more »

Neil
Neil
8 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

I see that side, too…I just don’t think he was going to be able to sustain those first half ’10 numbers for a season or two, let alone a decent career…but I do totally get where he’s coming from; just disagree with it…Tulo and CarGo are everyday players; to me that makes a HUGE difference with the type of contract they got and what Jimenez thought he should have received…every five days compared to every day is pretty significant IMHO…… Read more »

GARY
GARY
8 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

Dizzy Dean did it,and look where it got him.80 years later and pitchers still don’t get it.I must have seen U.say a 100 times that nothing was wrong,when we all knew something was amiss.

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
8 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

I know this will be hard to believe but because most times you may (real or perceived) not have a choice. Circumstance certainly plays a big roll in it.

rockymountainhigh
rockymountainhigh
8 years ago

The article quoted Jimenez as saying he wanted to pitch through the injuries so he can be traded. Nobody would trade for a pitcher that is on the DL. After reading this article on foxsportsarizona dot come written by Tracy Ringolsby, it really left a bad taste in my mouth. If the behind the scenes gossip were accurate, DOD promised Ubaldo a new contract next year. Certainly you can’t sign three big contracts in one off season. I’m quite disappointed… Read more »

Ian
Ian
8 years ago

Totally side with Ubaldo on this. O’Dowd blows. How could he not explain the situation to the satisfaction of the player and the player’s agent. Couldn’t he have given him an awesome handshake deal for the future. Hard to throw away pitchers that had performed like he did and that came up with the organization. Especially when that was the plan du jour last season. Ubaldo seems like a gentle soul. I’m sure it upset him that they didn’t extend… Read more »

trip
trip
8 years ago
Reply to  Ian

Well, at least not on ‘two’ drinks will he get an extreme DUI….

GARY
GARY
8 years ago
Reply to  trip

They must really mix a “mean” drink down there in Scottsdale!

Deep Purple
Deep Purple
8 years ago

When U was with the Rox I always considered him a team-first guy. This story kind of puts an end to that notion because now he appears to be a me-first guy who thought more about his contract than the team. He apparently pressed to stay in the rotation despite full knowledge that he was pitching below full strength (anyone who saw his Juggs gun results had to agree) to prove the point that he was worth a big contract… Read more »

Timo
Timo
8 years ago

There’s no doubt in my mind he would have been extended if he would have pitched well last year. I can see how DOD wanted to see more than just an impressive first half before he offered up a huge deal to Ubaldo. Pitchers are tough to come by and I think we got a great return on our trade.

I’ll always cheer for him but it kinda irks me that he pitched injured just so he could get traded.

Cisco Kid
Cisco Kid
8 years ago

My concern with all this is what it does to the “trust factor” between the Rox upper management and the latin players in the organization. Ubaldo was very respected within that group. Already this season we’ve seen some back and forth stuff between DOD and Chacin. Also, what does Rolando Fernandez think of this? He’s one guy in the organization I’d hate to lose.

roxnsox
roxnsox
8 years ago

Well, shoot. I could agree with all the points made. Mostly, I love(d) Ubaldo but now I’m disillusioned.

Robb
Robb
8 years ago

Pitchers for the Rockies have historically tended to hit a wall after 500 innings for whatever reason (can’t remember where I read this, but have seen it in writing). Altitude, size of ballpark, poor usage by manager, poor pitching coach, or a combo of all are probably factors. So, why commit something like $80-100mm to a starting pitcher? Especially, when his numbers from mid-2010 were very ordinary. Thanks, but no thanks. It would not suprise me if Ubaldo ends up… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
8 years ago

I see both sides of the issue. I can see why O’Dowd and the Monforts didn’t want to commit to a pitcher and I can see why Ubaldo is pissed off. I remember after the 2009 season or maybe even earlier A LOT of talk about extending Ubaldo. Similar to the talk that is already happening for Chacin (is there even any comparison?, not to me.) Then he comes out and has the type of season in 2010 that he… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
8 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

The Rox can’t afford 3 megacontracts in one off season and Ubaldo knew that he will be given the megacontract this past off season as promised by the Rox. Yet he chose to pout and take a trip to Italy so late in the off season. So the Rox used the money on Cuddyer instead this year. This attitude makes it so difficult for me to forgive him.

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
8 years ago

Really? Was that written in stone that he would get it? Tulo was signed, what through 2017 at the time and they extended him. I don’t want to make this a Tulo vs Ubaldo thing, but if Tulo is the great team mate it seems fair to me that considering he had a contract of almost double the length of U at the time that he would defer. I think its clear that the “promises” being bandied about by the… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
8 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

DOD has been saying publicly that Ubaldo was going to get his contract the following year. Ubaldo chose not to help the team by wanting to be traded. Totally unacceptable.

Agbayani
Agbayani
8 years ago

Not sure what Ubaldo was promised regarding a contract extension. But I will say that not signing him to an extension will likely prove to have been a wise decision. They opted to lock up two position players in their prime instead, and history shows that this was the way to go. Pitcher health is just too unpredictable. I don’t blame Ubaldo or O’Dowd. I really don’t blame Ubaldo for trying to pitch through injury (whatever that injury may have… Read more »

GARY
GARY
8 years ago

Seems like one trip to Europe,and alittle taste of the world turned the shy,humble,wide-eyed kid,into the all too familiar real world selfish pro athlete.I see little in the article about wanting to be a good teammate[in colorado],or even missing his associations with other Rockies.To me, he came across very cold,and not like the guy with the huge smile I remember.

jeem
jeem
8 years ago

What jerks me about this is the BS we are fed by the team that the beat writers just repeat w/o question. All we heard was what a kind, ego-less teddy bear U was. Now we find out he had just as big an ego as anybody. Was he hurt? No he’s fine. He’s got to be hurt! No he’s fine. Oh, 8 months later: yeah I was hurt. Why do these guys buy into the propaganda (+ it’s not… Read more »

jeem
jeem
8 years ago

And one more comment on the leadership thing. Hyper-talented people don’t tend to make effective leaders. Happens in every organization. Nothing like some guy who’s got more talent in one finger than you have in your entire bod, who’s making 10 time what you are, + has lifetime security telling you “you just have to work harder.” Right.

OK now I’m going to take a cold shower.

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
8 years ago

“His arm was fatigued” Ok I said this numerous times on ITR and how many told me I was wrong???? Trust me you can pitch with fatigue. You do all kinds of bad things to over compensate. “But do we KNOW that he was told his contract was coming? Or do we assume that because it was spoken so much between all of us that it was a “done deal”?” EXACTLY!!! It’s no secret that stuff seemed to go south… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
8 years ago

I think the whole fatigue crap has really pushed a button with me. Where was JT and coach Apodaca in all this??? I am bitting my tongue because obviously I don’t have a clue about the real story.

I am waiting to see if the media runs with this and starts questioning 1) Mr. O’Dowd 2) JT 3) coach Apodaca

Then again, what does it matter? He’s gone and it’s yesterdays news?

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike Raysfan

Guess it didn’t take long for the national guys to pick it up. I’m sure more will follow.

Like jeem was sayin … I believe he (jeem) covered it pretty well

Rich M
Rich M
8 years ago

Loved Ubaldo pitching for the Rockies, and this “he said – she (DanO) said” divorce should have been kept behind closed doors. My point is that this article doesn’t help anyone at this point – why come out now? First Ubaldo WAS under contract, and as a starting pitcher he was making decent money for it being the early stages of his career. In my view players could learn a lot Tim Lincecum “… pay me fairly for a one… Read more »

Bseus
Bseus
8 years ago
Reply to  Rich M

Rich you just saved me an hour of hunting and pecking on my keyboard…You wrote my sentiments exactly!!Thanks,,,

DrRockies
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DrRockies
8 years ago

understandable with everyone’s take here. The Doctor has always been a huge Ubaldo fan, if nothing else for his approach and “seemingly” lack of ego. A family member had worked for the Rox for 7 years and I asked about what was said in the building. Initially DOD was not pleased that Ublado (and Cargo for that matter) took the winter off for the first time ever. Cargo I understood given his late season injury, however when U struggled early,… Read more »

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
8 years ago
Reply to  DrRockies

DrRox…

Section 109…Row 4…Seats 9-12…Old guy, fumanchu mustache…my avatar is a close approximation?

I’m told I’m a spitting image of Kevin Costner…or maybe Ernest Borgnine…you decide when we meet…I’m at all the games.

Look forward to meeting you and discussing the new site.

Matt G
Matt G
8 years ago

This whole thing is fairly upsetting to me. I really like Ubaldo – even toasted a drink to him when he got traded. He always came off as a genuinely kind dude who loved the game and appreciated that he had the privilege to play it for a living. Beyond all that irrelevant B.S., he was the the best starting pitcher the Rox have ever had. Not that that is saying a ton, as he narrowly edges out Aaron Cook,… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
8 years ago

I think this info just being released correlates to the mlb shop finally selling out of their clearance Ubaldo jersey stock.

jeem
jeem
8 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

Jared, while I was disoriented at first I agree tieing an on-going discussion together is the way to go. Like on ITR when a thread would somehow “migrate” from the pregame (line-up) discussion to the game summary one. Better to tie them together.

BTW I plan to contribute at some point but I’ve been out of work for some time + trying to get a business started. Hope some work starts flowing in soon.

lwesche
lwesche
8 years ago

For what it is worth, our spring training season tickets are out right by the bullpen, and we watch the players walk right by a couple times every home game. Ubaldo was the only player last year that constantly stopped and talked to any and everyone, signed autographs everyday he was not pitching. U was fun, fun to see, fun to talk to and always had a smile on his face. Last year he was walking around at Salt River… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
Admin
rockymountainhigh
8 years ago

This article just proved my disappointment with Ubaldo. The offer is still on the table for any takers of my official Ubaldo no-hitter t-shirt. XL size. Still looks new (rarely worn).

Rich M
Rich M
8 years ago

RMH – us RWO readers can only assume you actually want real money for this heirloom, so as such eBay would always be an option? Even so I can always use a good night shirt while dreaming of what might have been with Ubaldo and the Rockies – $5 (free shipping & handling) sound be about right?

rockymountainhigh
Admin
rockymountainhigh
8 years ago
Reply to  Rich M

No I’m giving it away free to any RWO friend. I feel the same as that store owner who gave away all Pujols jerseys for free when Pujols left St. Louis.

rockymountainhigh
Admin
rockymountainhigh
8 years ago
Reply to  Rich M

Rich M, since you were the first to ask about it you can have it. You live in Denver area and/or going to home opener?

rockymountainhigh
Admin
rockymountainhigh
8 years ago

Just watched MLBN and Mitch Williams is my favorite desktop anchor. They were talking about the Ubaldo situation. Mitch basically said you can’t pitch if all you are thinking about is money. Even added maybe Ubaldo should go home and think about his priorities.

Jaredean
Jaredean
8 years ago

Great report right before it with Alanna covering Moyer. It was like all Rockies the 2nd 1/2 of the show. Tell me Mitch’s new look doesn’t make him look EXACTLY like Burt Reynolds!!!

jeem
jeem
8 years ago

Ubaldo should study the Peyton Manning situation. That 26M looked OK before the injury. Then Luck “fell” Indy’s way.

Similarly that 15-1, 0.73 looked mighty fine for Ubaldo. Had he finished the year say 9-5 w/ a 2.89, say, well yeah. But 4-7 5.71 (or whatever it was), not so much.

Rich M
Rich M
8 years ago

While I can completely agree with Tulo and Cargo here, the point remains that unfortunately Ubaldo never understood the Rockies reasons for handling the contract extensions the way that they did, which if based on the press espoused logic made perfect sense at the time. 1. Position players receive contract extensions at very different points, different lengths, and at substantially different values than pitchers do. This is true across the league and not just with the Rockies, and it is… Read more »

Doc
Doc
8 years ago

Shy, retiring, well mannered, Ubaldo has always struck me as too nice. First impressions: Sometimes, when the camera would pan in on his face, I felt like he was about to burst into tears. On 70 degree days you’d see him in the dugout wrapped in a hoodie and on colder nights he’d don a parka. I don’t think the ace of the staff necessarily has to have the mindset of a Clemens, but I do think they should exude… Read more »

Rich M
Rich M
8 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

This is exactly my point, no one put a gun to Ubaldo’s head and said you must sign the contract extension that took him out thru 2014 if the Rockies had exercised the 2014 option, and if it had gone that far they certainly would have exercised that option. So here is a Rockies starting pitcher pouting in early 2011 about making roughly $20m over four years 2011-2014 with a contract that he clearly wanted at the time that he… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
8 years ago
Reply to  Rich M

I hope everyone has a good memory 3 years from now when Cargo and Tulo ask and receive yet another early contract extension or end up being traded. Its easy to sit from the top of the hill and say people have sour grapes when you received what you ask for and they didn’t with the luxury of retrospect and security. The point you have to consider is that Ubaldo thought he was in the same class as Cargo and… Read more »

Bseus
Bseus
8 years ago

Masterson opening day starter over Ubaldo,,,Whoa!!

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
8 years ago
Reply to  Bseus

???? why the surprise? Stuff like this is probably why:

“After watching Jimenez in a spring start where his velocity topped out at 94 mph, one scout said, “His [stuff] just isn’t as electric as it was before.”

He’s not the ace of this rotation. Masterson is”

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greensmoke
7 years ago

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