Lansford and Dauer Gone

Hitting coach Carney Lansford and third base coach Rich Dauer were let go Monday night as part of the house cleaning going on with the Rockies. No reason has been given by the team yet, nor has any decision been made on a replacement for Tracy.

No other changes are planned on the major league staff for now, but that could change once a new manager is in place. Troy Renck of the Denver Post speculates that if Mark Wiley is hired for the director of pitching operations position as expected, Bob McClure becomes the heavy favorite to become the new big league pitching coach.

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Rocky Mountain High
Rocky Mountain High
8 years ago

The door just opened for Dante Bichette or Vinny Castilla to be the hitting coach and/or 3B coach. I’d like to find RIckey Henderson or Lou Brock and let him teach how to steal and run the bases. Or steal Davey Lopes.

Jaredean
Jaredean
8 years ago

Davey Lopes would be the dream.

Timo
Timo
8 years ago

While it was tough sledding with Lansford to start, it seems he reached the young kids pretty well. 6th in the league in hitting doesn’t seem to warrant being fired. However, if you’re going to really clean house, you gotta vacuum the corners.

TJinPhoenix
TJinPhoenix
8 years ago
Reply to  Timo

That’s a great last line Timo. I hate to be a glass is half empty kinda guy…but will it make a difference until DOD is gone?

Timo
Timo
8 years ago
Reply to  TJinPhoenix

Exactly. They seemed to have left a huge stain right in the middle of the front office.

Cisco Kid
Cisco Kid
8 years ago
Reply to  TJinPhoenix

For all intents and purposes DOD is already gone. As Agbayani called him earlier in the week- he’s “dead GM walking”. Isn’t it obvious he’s no longer in the picture? Why would MFL have had his exit interview with Geivett and not DOD? Why is Geivett doing several radio interviews tomorrow and not DOD? The answer is quite obvious, DOD is no longer in charge. It’s just that he hasn’t been told and the Monfarts haven’t announced it. Which is… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
8 years ago

Manager – ?
Bench Coach – ?
Hitting Coach – Jason Giambi
1st Base Coach – ?
3rd Base Coach – Vinnie Castilla
Pitching Director – Mark Wiley
Pitching Coach – Bob McClure

rockies_crazy
rockies_crazy
8 years ago

Just my guess
I don’t expect them to hire anyone would rock the boat

mgr Tom Runnles
bench outside hire or Rene Lachemann
first base Glen-Allen Hill
third base Stu Cole
pitching Bob McClure
hitting Jason Giambi
bull pen Jim Wright

Doc
Doc
8 years ago
Reply to  rockies_crazy

I’m afraid you’re right, rockies-crazy. In all honesty, how are they going to get anyone to join this circus who isn’t already part of it?

DrRockies
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DrRockies
8 years ago
Reply to  Doc

spot on Doc..been saying that for a few weeks. How is anyone worth his salt going to come in and agree to be handcuffed on some of the decisions. Part of the issue in the front office is that they have those who have been part of the organization since the beginning and no one rocks the boat and thinks any change is necessary (at least in the right places). If we hire a new manager from inside..reminds me of… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
8 years ago

Anyone catch George Karl last night? Funny stuff. I wish I could have seen the entire unedited conversation. He should be careful though. With the way the Rockies love the utility role they may think about what he said and give it a try. Moving the pitching to another position so he could be brought back in later if needed.

Cisco Kid
Cisco Kid
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike Raysfan

Whitey Herzog used to do that with the Cards in the 80’s during late in the ganes. He would flip flop the lefty Daley and righty Worrell. I’ve always wondered why other managers don’t do this.

Agbayani
Agbayani
8 years ago

I’m watching the A’s-Tigers, and I’m wondering: Yeonis Cespedes was signed by Oakland for 4 years/36 million. It was considered a huge risk — the guy hadn’t played outside Cuba. But which is the bigger risk, 3 years/31.5 million for proven mediocrity Michael Cuddyer, or 4/36 for huge risk/huge upside Cespedes? Looks like we know the answer already.

Agbayani
Agbayani
8 years ago

And it’s worth pointing out that the A’s picked up Seth Smith (HR tonite) and played him in a loose platoon with cast-off Johnny Gomes. Total salary: less than 3 million. Total productivity? Greater than the guy the Rockies “upgraded” to, Michael Cuddyer. (No insult meant to Cuddyer, but these mid-market teams have to show a little creativity if they want to be like the A’s and not like the Rockies.)

Cisco Kid
Cisco Kid
8 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Ag,

One huge thing you seem to be omitting is the price of clubhouse culture.

Agbayani
Agbayani
8 years ago
Reply to  Cisco Kid

No doubt! By the way, I listened to Geivett’s interview with Goodman. 20 minutes, no mention of “clubhouse culture” at all. Not once. Plus Geivett — a guy who actually has an engaging dry sense of humor — barely showed any spark at all, sounding like O’Dowd Jr. I was hoping that at least we’d get a new approach with the media with Geivett in charge.

Colorado Thistle
Colorado Thistle
8 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

I listened to part of the interview as well. What surprised me is that he didn’t mention how much higher the elevation is at Coors field now than in 2007 since clearly everything about pitching has changed there in 5 years. In the part I heard, he was saying how concerned the manager has to be with how to use the bullpen. Unlike every other team in baseball. In truth, he sounded whipped. He couldn’t even process a simple two… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
8 years ago

Sorry Drew Soicher, señor José “Ozzie” Guillén, is definitely NOT a yes man. I also doubt the average laid back Rockies fan would accept his style.

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike Raysfan

I’d love somebody like Ozzie Guillen that was not Ozzie Guillen himself… or Bobby Valentine either… No idiots.

Would love to have Clint Hurdle back…or a Kirk Gibson. Someone with a little fire in the belly would be adored in Denver. They just need to have a good sense of humor. We loved Doug Moe.

sdcarp
sdcarp
8 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

I’ve repeatedly pushed Mike Maddux – but someone should at least go through the process, take 5 minutes, and call Lou Pinella. He fits your Ozzie, Valentine temperament a bit. He’s my 2nd choice. If we’re going to suck, we might as well have a base throwing, dust kicking, umpire chasing episode a few times a year.

Agbayani
Agbayani
8 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

Congratulations, Prog. Your comment is the first recorded instance of Clint Hurdle Nostalgia. And to think, it only took 3.3 years! Next up: bring back Josh McDaniels!!

DrRockies
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DrRockies
8 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

I like the Kirk Gibson reference. I have said for 2 years now that Gibson turned Arizona around by installing a no bs atmosphere and demanding hard work and that is what I always felt we needed here. Hate to think we would regress by bringing in a head case like Guillen, a washed up Pinella or an obvious clubhouse divider like Valentine. I have always thought at some point a club needs to go with a young, energenic manager… Read more »

DrRockies
Editor
DrRockies
8 years ago
Reply to  DrRockies

forgot to add..some stat mentioned on Baseball tonight or some show said a manager is worth maybe 5 wins per season so again, it comes down to the 9 you stick out on the field.

Ike
Ike
8 years ago
Reply to  DrRockies

The handcuffs came on due to Jim Tracy’s failings. It is not tough to envision that they might come off with success from a new manager. Geivett has a tricky landscape to navigate.

Ike
Ike
8 years ago
Reply to  DrRockies

What is the basis for 5 wins per season ( which could be the difference between 82 wins and 77, or a division title vs. 5 games out)? Is this number the same for an American League team as with a National League team? Does it vary based upon number of innings by starters? How about ballpark? Is it the same number in AA as MLB? I would be very interested to see the formula.

Bat Cat
Bat Cat
8 years ago
Reply to  DrRockies

I heard the same thing about the 5 wins. Must have been on NPR because I have only been listening to that and post-season games.

Bob K.
Bob K.
8 years ago

As long as the conditions stated in Ken Rosenthal’s post remain, no manager of any note would accept the position with the Rockies. Unfortunately some person who wants their first manager position badly enough will become the Rockies next figurehead manager.

The way I see it, Geivett should just go ahead and appoint himself as manager.

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/article/rockies_will_look_internally_first/11925154?new_post=true

Rocky Mountain High
Rocky Mountain High
8 years ago

The Rockies should look at the Nuggets’ recent history; they went out and got George Karl who is a proven coach that can handle head cases and develop young players. So we can find a proven manager. We should dangle the dollars in front of Tony LaRussa. That will be a two for one hire because LaRussa will always bring Dave Duncan with him as the pitching coach.

Agbayani
Agbayani
8 years ago

RMH, you make a good point. The old hands like Buck Showalter and Davey Johnson and Dusty Baker seem to be doing quite well this year. I happen to think the manager is pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of things, so I’m a lot more interested in what happens with the front office situation.

Ike
Ike
8 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Your contention is that Showalter is unimportant to the turn around in Baltimore?

Agbayani
Agbayani
8 years ago
Reply to  Ike

Not unimportant. Just not that important. The Orioles are a lot of fun this year. I can’t believe they ran nose-to-nose with the Yankees all year. But let’s face facts: they’ve had an incredible and lucky run. Showalter has demonstrated great steadiness, and also wasn’t afraid to do new things like moving a 19 year old into a starting role in the middle of the race. But you don’t win 13 extra innings games in a row without a good… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
8 years ago

Well Runnels interviews tomorrow. I have always been a huge fan of Lou Pinella. Unfortunately managing the Rays kinda put him over the top. After that, I sincerely doubt he would have even an inkling of wanting to come here. Why would he? 1) He’s been down this road with the Rays 2) He is not a puppet or yes man 3) He is enjoying living life large in Tampa. Maybe Krieger is right. He has brought up John Smotlz… Read more »

jeem
jeem
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike Raysfan

Hmm… Didn’t I get hammered by you guys about 2 Saturdays ago for saying pretty much exactly what Smoltz is saying?

Agbayani
Agbayani
8 years ago

After kind of a slow start, the MLB playoffs turned great today. Gotta say these Oakland A’s remind me of the Rockies in 2007. I hear that some clubs don’t like the exuberance when they win, but I love it. Now if Baltimore and Oakland could make it through to the ALCS …

Miketober
Miketober
8 years ago

Mr. Late Night does it again!
AWO=A’s Walk Off

Ike
Ike
8 years ago

I haven’t been posting much so this is really just a get it off my chest post… All I really want at this point is for the Rockies to play good fundamental baseball. The kind of baseball to which kids, even older kids can aspire. Get there, and then I will worry about the gyrations in the front office. This team has been terrible since late 2010, but most of the new venom being spewed toward the front office is… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
8 years ago

Ike, on Showalter: I really like him. Back when Hurdle was fired I was telling any and everyone who’d listen that I wanted the Rockies to hire him (Buck was doing espn at the time.). But is he the difference maker? Consider this: he got fired by the Yankees after 2005. Next year Torre leads the Yanks to the first of many World Series wins. He then got fired by the Dbacks after 2000. You guesses it: next year Brenly… Read more »

OrangeRocks
OrangeRocks
8 years ago

I have said it here before but the Orioles and Rockies are very similar teams once you subtract the manager and the rest of the front office. That rotation in Baltimore doesn’t scare anyone and there are several holes in their everyday lineup, yet they are giving the $200m Yankees all that they can handle. The difference is in the Manager and the DanO front office – fix that and we Rockies fans can begin to at least hope for… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
8 years ago

“The clubhouse door should have a sign on it “WELCOME TO BLINKYS FUNCLUB” because these guys are clowns.” LMAO

source – poster on Ken Rosenthal’s story about the Rockies search for a manager.

Oh and Rosenthal has added Dodgers third base coach Tim Wallach to the previously reported Sandy Alomar. In the end, Rosenthal believes it will be either Stu or Tommy.

sdcarp
sdcarp
8 years ago

Any news from the Runnels interview? I haven’t heard a peep.

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
8 years ago

OK this is kind of hard to believe. I think Raul should be given a cup to pee in right now.

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