Left Fielder’s Up For Gold Glove: Marte, CarGo and…EYj????

The finalists for National League Gold Glove awards were announced at third base and left field.  At third base you have David Wright, Juan Uribe and our hometown favorite Nolan Arenado.  Arenado’s main competition will be Juan Uribe, if the vote were solely based on UZR and DRS:

ARENADO: +20.7 UZR  |  +30 DRS

URIBE: +23 UZR  |  +15 DRS

WRIGHT: +3.7 UZR  |  +5 DRS

The oddity of the announcement came with the name of Eric Young, Jr. being named as a finalist.  EYj actually has a negative UZR and DRS in 2013.  Marte was a +10.1 UZR defender and +20 DRS and CarGo was a +7.1 UZR and +10 DRS man himself.

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Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
6 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

This is exactly why I despise NY teams in all sports. Does anyone think EYjr would be considered for a GG if he played anywhere but for what the media considers the center of the universe? No chance.

GARY
GARY
6 years ago

OK Pooter-time for an appearance to give us all hell for voting to dump that slick fielding favorite of yours.I mean who knew?

Agbayani
Agbayani
6 years ago

LOL… EYJ, gold glover! Jared, nice work with the advanced defensive stats. And does anyone else miss Matt Holliday? I sure do.

Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
6 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

I have missed Holliday since the day he left. While he was not the defensive player that Coors field needs, his ability to hit in the clutch and not just to pile up stats made him the most dangerous hitter we had had in many years. When I leave this earth and I’m reflecting on all the great baseball moments of my lifetime, our chanting of MVP in the final game of the ’07 NLCS will be near the top… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
6 years ago

Only every season,Ag. Here’s the deal. Tulo and Pomeranz for Waca and Holiday. I’m not the only one who doesn’t believe for a moment that the ROX came close to Abreu no matter how hard Renck is trying to push it, am I?

Agbayani
Agbayani
6 years ago

Calling Ed the Ump – what’s the obstructing the baserunner rule? Does there have to be intent to obstruct or is getting in the way inadvertently enough?

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
6 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

You guys got it right…the call was EASY for an umpire. Jim Joyce(despite the perfect game snafu)is considered the best umpire in baseball. They explained it perfectly in the press conference. What I was really interested in was the Sox fans who tweeted and commented on various storylines. Whiners extraordinaire!! I’m guessing most of us would do the same thing if it involved the Rox(like that’ll happen anytime soon). The Sox fans were screaming that he wasn’t in the baseline… Read more »

Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
6 years ago
Reply to  EdtheUmp

Ed’s discussion above is exactly why I love this site. Nowhere else can you find this level of on-line banter. Great stuff!

TJinPhoenix
TJinPhoenix
6 years ago
Reply to  Bob in Indy

Hi all, long time no see from me, been swamped, but I’ve actually in interested in the WS this year (can I root for both teams to lose-but its been fun to watch)??
Anyway, I was hoping to see a post from Ed…you don’t disappoint my friend!

Great seeing you in Ft Collins a few weeks back, lets grab a beer when you are down here….
TJ

Agbayani
Agbayani
6 years ago

I’m thinking the call was right. Here’s an apparently reliable internet summary I found: “OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner. If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
6 years ago

Right call. Look at me supporting an ump. I know intent doesn’t play, but I think if middle brooks doesn’t raise his legs it becomes a non issue. Of course he probably scores if he gas a clear shot. Funny if that happened to holiday instead.

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
6 years ago

I forgot to mention that more than one Sox fan tweeted/commented that it’s OK to make that call in the second inning but should never be made to end the game…

If I’ve heard it once, I’ve heard it a hundred times in my career…”let the players decide the game”…

my response has always been…”they did.”

Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
6 years ago
Reply to  EdtheUmp

As an ice hockey referee, I hear the same thing all the time. I will use your “they did” response next time the situation comes up. Wish I’d thought of that simply reply years ago.

Agbayani
Agbayani
6 years ago

Thanks, Ed. Good to know they got it right. (And I’d say that even if I didn’t hate the new Red Sox, the ones that are no longer the lovable losers.) I’d have to say I can’t remember a call the umps got wrong based on not knowing the rule or clearly misinterpreting it. That just doesn’t happen in my memory. Missed calls? Sure. Forgot or misapplied the rule based on what they saw? Doesn’t happen. As Ed noted, the… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
6 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

On another website someone claimed he was getting up out of the way and I asked, “by doing the worm?” You get up by sticking your toes in the first, not in the air. Lol

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
6 years ago

I can thank EYJ for making it one less competitor (Starling Marte) for CarGo in LF. I hope NoDo gets the GG at 3B, but I feel the favoritism helps the veteran (Uribe). I’d be surprised if Wright wins over NoDo and Uribe despite him playing only half a season and having lesser fielding numbers. The article left out Tulo who should be a runaway winner, so it is possible the Rox will claim 3 GGs, all on the left… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
6 years ago

Wow, that’s why I love baseball. I’d guess I’ve watched a few thousand MLB games in my life and I’ve never seen (1) a walk-off obstruction call; (2) a game end on a pickoff at 1B. Until now, that is … not exactly the best-played World Series so far, but a pretty entertaining one.

sdcarp
sdcarp
6 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Agree – for whatever reason, this World Series has me more hooked than any in recent memory.

Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
6 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Ag, ever seen a game end with a tie game with runners on second and third and no outs, an intentional walk, a pitching change, and before the next batter sees a pitch, a balk? I saw my Phils blow it that way against the Pirates on September 29th, 1978 on the final weekend of the season. Carlton pitched 8 great innings, then left with the bases loaded in the ninth. The ball never left reliever Warren Brusstar’s hand. Stunning.… Read more »

Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
6 years ago

It’s official. Nolan gets his GG, and Carlos too. Way to go guys!

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
6 years ago
Reply to  Bob in Indy

The whiner is really gonna be pissed now!

He will probably demand a trade.

Agbayani
Agbayani
6 years ago

Bob, neat story on the Phillies. On the gold gloves, it’s great to see a rookie like Arenado recognized. Used to be that most gold gloves were “reputation” awards. A guy would establish himself as a great fielder, wait a few years, then start winning (and keep winning) gold gloves long past his prime. I credit the stats geeks for bringing some rationality to this. We see Arenado every day, so we know he’s good. The baseball writer in the… Read more »

Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
6 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

When I saw at the start of the broadcast that the Sabermetrics would be a part of the equation, my hope for Nolen to win it went up a lot since I had just read Jaredean’s stats posted above. I agree with you that “rationality” has bee long overdue. For years I have called this the “Rawlings Golden Batting Glove Award” since it seemed that lesser fielders with better offense often overshadowed the great gloves of the game. My classic… Read more »

GARY
GARY
6 years ago
Reply to  Bob in Indy

Too bad his hitting never developed.All time rally buster when he became a Cub back in the ’80’s.

sabrchip
sabrchip
6 years ago

I think there’s some confusion about the voting: 1. 75% of the vote is determined by managers and coaches with players from their own teams ineligible to be voted on. 2 The SABR Defensive Index accounts for 25% of that vote. For more info about this metric go to: http://sabr.org/latest/2013-rawlings-gold-glove-award-winners-announced check out the site and browse around for more SABR info if you’re so inclined also, check out the link for the Rocky Mountain SABR Chapter’s annual fund raising banquet… Read more »

Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
6 years ago
Reply to  sabrchip

No confusion at all, as I pointed out that SABR was “part of the equation”. I do think it’s noteworthy that in addition to being used as a percentage of the vote, the voters receive the SABR data along with their ballots to give them a more educated knowledge base considering that there are many players they don’t see often enough.

Agbayani
Agbayani
6 years ago

sabrchip, thanks for the clarification. Good to see defensive metrics are officially part of the equation. Plus there’s kind of a feedback thing going on — you see the defensive stats and they tend to influence your subjective opinion. Whatever it is, the end result is fewer obviously undeserving winners, which is a good thing.

Cisco Kid
Cisco Kid
6 years ago

Heard on Twitter that the Cowboy isn’t coming back next season on the Root broadcast. Anyone else hear anything officially?

Cisco Kid
Cisco Kid
6 years ago

Bring Spilly on board.

Pooter
Pooter
6 years ago

EYJ ended up leading the NL in stolen bases as well as good defense. Wish he would have recieved a full season with the Rox and Fowler would have been traded while his value was up. Oh well, I’m over it by now…

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