Rockies Reach Agreement With Chacin

In Jhoulys Chacin’s first year of arbitration eligibility he was asking for $2.6 million, while the team countered with an offer of $1.7 million.  When the talks concluded the years doubled as well as the amount.  The final agreement came to 2 years and $6.5 million.

It is contingent on Chacin passing a physical, which isn’t a forgone conclusion, given his shoulder issues last season that sidelined him for 14 starts.

MORE ARBITRATION NEWS:

Here are the arbitration eligible players and their current status:

DEXTER FOWLER:

  • Asking: $5.15M
  • Team Offer: $4.25M
  • Status: No Agreement

JHOULYS CHACIN

  • Asked: $2.5M
  • Team Offer: $1.7M
  • Status: 2 Years, $6.5

JONATHAN HERRERA

  • Asked: $1M
  • Offered: $800K
  • Status: 1 Year, $900K

JOSH OUTMAN

  • Agreed on $675K

TYLER COLVIN

  • Agreed on $2.275M

WILTON LOPEZ

  • Agreed on $1.76M
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Agbayani
Agbayani
7 years ago

Seems like an overpay on Chacin. I don’t know why they’d go 2 years on him given that he hasn’t really demonstrated that he’s returned to his pre-injury form. I imagine the Rockies scouts checked him out in Venezuela this winter (at least I hope they did) and said he was throwing well, but still: minimal upside to this deal, very significant downside.

Rocky Mountain High
Rocky Mountain High
7 years ago

I’ve won the Ticket Opportunity “lottery” every year until this year. I figure this year was an easy year to win as I expected far fewer people fighting for Opening Day tickets after the very quiet off season. But I did NOT win this year! So more people are going to the games this year? I’ve gone to every Opening Day game since about 2005. I’m sure once the presales to the lottery winners is over, there will still be… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
7 years ago

RMH, same here: no opening day tix, but I “won” the right to buy inflated price Yankees tickets. Given the price and the early May dates/unreliable weather at that time of year, I passed … here’s a fun game: what will the stubhub prices be for the same seats just before the games? I really can’t see them going for a markup. In fact, I’m guessing that some of the expensive seats will be selling below face value.

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
7 years ago

I couldn’t agree more RMH. I thought the Rockies price increase was a little high but now this season and the Yankees series pricing is mind boggling.

Good luck in Milwaukee. Hopefully you will win.

rockies_crazy
rockies_crazy
7 years ago

I didn’t get chosen for the lottery either but I was on the Rox web sit today (Friday 2/8) and there are opening day tickets for sale. The selection is poor of course but at least you can go

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
7 years ago

Did you guys see the Dodgers TV deal reported to be 25 years for $7 bababaBIllion?

Thats $280,000,000 a year they can put to payroll and still have revenue from seats and parking and concessions. LOL…cry.

Rox probably get $28m a year from ROOT.

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
7 years ago

Wow prog. Big numbers.

I did watch Walt Weiss last night on CBS. He basically stated what CT had already stated in another thread. While a trade may not be 100% out of the question if the right deal came along, we are looking at our 2013 Colorado Rockies. As many of us believed all along, the Rockies are banking on the returning injured players.

Rocky Mountain High
Rocky Mountain High
7 years ago

Reports circulating that Rox willing to go multiyear with “Dex Knows” Fowler which would explain why he is the lone remaining arbitration player yet to reach a deal. Remember, Fowler dumped Scott Bor-ass for another agent. That makes the Rox more willing to sit down at the negotiating table. I think it would be a good move if Fowler gets multi-year and it would make him more valuable trade bait as he would be a known cost to another team… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
7 years ago

Agreed. Plus making Dex a known commodity for the Rox, if the deal is affordable, makes Cuddyer movable.

My fear is we sign Fowler and do nothing about the backlog of OFs. I know people have various thoughts on Wheeler and Blackmon but they also have Parker and eventually Dahl that will need to play in say 2 or 3 years. What do you do when you have Fowler, Colvin, Cargo and all of them?

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
7 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

I think a lot will depend on what happens this season. I would copy and paste your post here for a later posting … say aound the allstar break

Julian
Julian
7 years ago

The Rockies only have three prospects in the top 100: Dahl, Arenado, and Story, and Dahl is the highest at 56. That’s disappointing on lots of levels. No one in the top 50, no pitchers, and only Arenado is close to being a major leaguer. Another indication as to why DOD needs to go.

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rockymountainhigh
7 years ago
Reply to  Julian

It’s “only three” prospects? Actually that’s about average if you take 30 teams and three each team equal 90. True, we don’t have a pitcher anywhere on the top 100 chart which could hurt us in the long run if we don’t move surplus talent in the OF and IF. I browsed Purple Row columns and there were a couple of pitchers that intrigued me. It was from “Monday’s Rockpile: Ranking the pitching prospects” written by Charlie77 on Jan 28th.… Read more »

Julian
Julian
7 years ago

Christian Bergman seems to have had a very good year last year for Modesto, but he doesn’t show up on any lists of the top Rockies’ prospects. Is he a major league prospect, or wil he top out as only a very good minor league pitcher?

Doctor_Christopher
Doctor_Christopher
7 years ago

First post of 2013 for me. I thought the deal for Chacin was a bit low to be honest. When does be become FA eligible? I think its after 2014, so basically this deal takes us to FA. And here begins the new pitching regime. Chacin has all of what you want in a pitcher to be a solid 1 or 2 going forward. But if their data shows he heads downhill after 600 innings, then they are already planning… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
7 years ago

This is the first arbitration year for Chacin. His new contract bought out his first two arbitration years leaving one more year after this contract that he is still arbitation eligible. He is not eligible to be a free agent until after the 2015 season.

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
7 years ago

I’m not a big Chacin fan, personally felt at the time they should have packaged him with Ian Stewart in the winter of 2007 to help the 2008 team return to the playoffs. In hindsight it feels even worse seeing how both of them severly regressed.

His strikeouts to walks has gone from 2.26 to 1.72 to 1.41.

I hope he shows a flash of talent early in the year so we can flip him.

sdcarp
sdcarp
7 years ago

It could be worse – we could have signed a washed up, never good in the first place, first baseman like Ryan Garko. 🙂

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
7 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

2008 Ryan Garko would have put us much further up in the standings. 90 RBI is nothing to sneeze at to fill in for Helton who only played 80 games that year. I don’t understand what is going on with the reasoning for signing him in this decade however. Just seems like a great way to prevent the right prospects like Ryan Wheeler, Pacheco and even Rosario from getting much needed ST work. Wasn’t Lars Anderson released? Wouldn’t he at… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
7 years ago

I would put Pacheco at 1st as much as possible. Maybe exclusively during ST.

Agbayani
Agbayani
7 years ago

Pacheco was on course to be a good backup catcher, maybe more if he develops some power and can be around average defensively. But they panicked in 2010 when they wrote off Stewart, got frustrating with Ty Wigginton when, lo and behold, he turned out to be Ty Wigginton, and had virtually written off Nelson. So they threw Pacheco into the 3B mix where he was predictably awful on defense. Then he proceeded to be just a tiny bit less… Read more »

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rockymountainhigh
7 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

I’ve been thinking it will be Colvin or Cuddyer at 1B after Helton retires.

sdcarp
sdcarp
7 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Ag – I’ve been whining for a long time that our 1B issue is just as bad as our SP issue, and in some ways even worse since we don’t appear to have an organizational 1B replacement on the horizon. For this reason, my curiosity has been piqued lately by Justin Smoak. The Mariners seem to be dangling him in just about every offer they’re associated with. I’m the first to admit the luster has long gone from his “prospect”… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
7 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

I really don’t think 1B is that big of an issue at all. Its a position we can stick an extra OF like Colvin or Cuddyer or extra IF like Pacheco or even a DJ LeMahieu. IMO this offense doesn’t need hackers with a .220 BA like Smoak. If you can get him at busted prospect prices then maybe. He’s a 1B version of Ian Stewart. Now, if Tulo and Cargo don’t live up to their contracts we may indeed… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
7 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

Prog, really? “I really don’t think 1B is that big of an issue at all. Its a position we can stick an extra OF like Colvin or Cuddyer or extra IF like Pacheco or even a DJ LeMahieu.” In what world is using any of these guys as a regular (or even semi-regular) first baseman “not that big of an issue?” Cuddyer is below average offensively as a RF; he’d be way below average as a first baseman. Colvin may… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
7 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

The failure to develop one is an organizational problem, just as failing to develop most any position since 2007 in house not named Tulowitzki and he’s already on the down slope of his career relative to about 10 or 12 players that are younger than him that I’d now rather have. So its a huge problem in that sense. But if you tell me that we’d like to compete in the next 2 or 3 years and that finding a… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
7 years ago

I see I was a year off in my comment above — I guess I forgot it’s 2013.

Julian
Julian
7 years ago

Wouldn’t McBride and Paulsen be the likely candidates to play 1B at CS? I agree that Pacheco has been mishandled. The Rockies seem to stink at player development. But I have a slightly different take. I think that given the promise of Rosario and the problems with Stewart, they should have moved him to 3B a year earlier than they did. He would have been a year further along as a 3B. Of course, now there’s the promise of Arenado,… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
7 years ago

I think its funny people give negatives but don’t put up a counterpoint.

Agbayani
Agbayani
7 years ago

Prog, my take on the Rockies management: ever since O’Dowd came they’ve been afflicted with this weird tunnel vision. The kind of thing that makes them say “our outfield is set, when Tulo comes back the infield should be o.k., we just need starting pitching.” No. We need better players, period. If the upgrade comes at 1B because you can upgrade 1B cheaper than you can starting pitching, well, then you better do it. Expecting a nearly 40-year old guy… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
7 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

I agree with this completely.

Julian
Julian
7 years ago

The problem at 1B is that you can’t replace Todd while he’s still here. The Rockies must feel that you need to let him go out in his final season as the starting 1B as long as he’s physically able to play the position and that filling in with the other guys isn’t that bad. Even next year they may fill in with the guys that they have if they still have Cuddyer for his last season here. It would… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
7 years ago

I still don’t understand why this is a 1B specific argument. You’re saying that 1B is the only position the Rockies are failing to develop at and if they only can get Justin Smoak that suddenly the team is a contender? I’m not seeing it. Would I like the Rockies to have better options at 1B? Sure. But I’d also love to see them have better options in every other position as well. sdcarp’s initial argument is that 1B should… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
7 years ago

Starters: Chacin, DLR, Nicasio all basically out the entire season. Plan: hope they get healthy and return to something similar to their previous form. Mix in Pomeranz, Francis, Chatwood. Chances: Longshot at being o.k., but not irrational. Bullpen: Plan: Betancourt has another year left, Lopez isn’t injured, Belisle stays the same, Brothers steps up. Chances: pretty high that we’ve got a good bullpen C: Plan: Rosario hits something like last year, and actually catches the ball this year. Pretty good… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
7 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

History of Rockies:

1997-2006 Hall of Fame worthy stats from 1B, miss playoffs every single year. Not really even close, ever.

2007 and 2009, good but unspectacular 1st base play from 1B on twilight of career fighting injuries. Starting pitchers have phenomenal year. Rockies make playoffs.

Julian
Julian
7 years ago

Agbayani, you have it about right. At least we have a plan for 3B and a reasonabe prospect for improvement at catcher and 2B. Does anyone have a thought as to whether there’s anyone in the system who looks like the 1B of the future?

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
7 years ago

Unfortunately AG, it’s not necessarily back to catcher for Pacheco. Like you I figured with JT gone that Pacheco may actually see more time at catcher. After all, Mr. O’Dowd has stated they were not giving up on that. I have no clue what their plan is at 1st but I have heard they plan on keeping him as an inf. I was told to look no further than the 40 man and the addition of Yorvit. Also, in addition… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
7 years ago

I have a real simple plan for Pacheco. A rightfield platoon of Seth Smith + Pacheco would’ve easily outperformed Cuddyer for 8 million bucks less. A rightfield platoon of Colvin + Pacheco wouldn’t bother me provided you could dump most of Cuddyer’s remaining salary. At least Pacheco likely wouldn’t hurt you in RF defensively the way he does at 3B.

Julian
Julian
7 years ago

OK, let’s sign Pacheco as a 2B, turn him into a catcher, then have him learn 3B and 1B on the fly, and now turn him into a RF. I’m not sure that I like that idea.

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