Roster Starting to Take Shape

The Colorado Rockies are two weeks away from making final roster decisions.  On Groundhog Day, Punxsutawney Phil forecast Planet Alignment Theory as to when spring will arrive.  Woody Paige of the Denver Post came up with his own PAT which contains parts of my own PAT.  The breaking news today was that Jhoulys Chacin was unconditionally released by the Rockies.  It was a nice departure from the Rockies’ history of hanging on to players (or even using the players) that are past their effectiveness.  News leaking out of the Rockies say that JDLR might start the season on the disabled list.  That creates two openings in the rotation for now.

When spring training started, JDLR, Chacin, Matzek, Lyles, and Kendrick were the presumed members of Opening Day rotation.  As expected, this will not be the rotation when the camp ends.  The Rockies totally cut ties with Chacin, saving $4M in the process.  JDLR is wobbling a bit like a bobble head at the top of the rotation due to his stubborn groin tightness and/or strain.  My prediction:  We won’t need #5 starter until mid-April so that will give Chad Bettis time to build up his endurance in the minor leagues.  Then he will be called up when needed assuming that JDLR is not ready.  That allows Rockies to delay the start of arbitration clock for Jon Gray. Colorado is not in the same position as the Cubs when it comes to competing for the post season.  (Cubs likely will have Kris Bryant on OD.)  Since Eddie Butler is already on the 40-man roster, he is the logical choice to take Chacin’s place in the rotation.

Summary of my PAT:

Bullpen is top 3 in the league.  Hawkins, Axford, Ottavino, Logan, Brothers, Kahnle, Betancourt (I judge him to be back to pre-injury ways after watching him today), and Fridrich.  Brooks Brown waiting in Albuquerque due to numbers game (or swap Brown for Kahnle).

Gray and Butler wins at least 12 games each and bring the Great Hope back to the Rockies.  Tyler Anderson will appear in September.  In other words, rotation rotation does not get the injury bug and go into sixth inning more often than not.

Baby Bull ends up  playing first base nearly full time while Justin Morneau needs to spend a lot of time in the ice bath.

Nick Hundley starts 140 games and hits at least .260 with 10 HRs and 60 RBIs.

Tulo, CarGo, Arenado, Rosario and Dickerson put up numbers similar to 2007’s Tulo, Atkins, Hawpe, Holliday, Helton group.  (All had at least  100 RBIs – Tulo just 1 short but it counts)

The Rockies players win four Gloves.  (Arenado, Tulo, DJLM, CarGo).

TOOTBLANs will be nearly absent this year.

No Little League plays by the big club.

Chuck Nazty does not have a significant regression.

Staff ERA will be a club record this year.  Darren Holmes gets credit for this. The other clubs have started using sabermetrics a few years ago while the Geivett/O’Dowd regime did not.  With Bridich in charge, sabermetrics analysis alone will make the Rox pitchers 0.50 ERA better  (and Hundley’s game calling another 0.25 improvement).

Rox win 38 games on the road and win 55 at home (not likely but that’s part of PAT to get into the post season).

Rox hitters drive in man from third and less than two outs 70% of the time.

Bunting will be absent at home except pitchers and extra innings with no outs.  Less team strikeouts will help especially on the road.

We had nine RWOs last year.  This year we get 12 RWOs due to our stout bullpen.

No broken fingers and freak injuries (Brett Anderson swinging a bat and Lyles tagging a runner at home.)

No throwaway games this year where a SP from Mars guarantees a loss.

Rocktober time when PAT is perfect!!!

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Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

I like it! I’ll try out my own PAT later this week. As for the roster, I’ll skip starters for now since, well, who knows (as usual). But it does look like they’re trending toward going north with 4 starters, which means 8 relievers to start the season. Locks: Hawkins, Ottavino, Logan, Axford (I think his contract pretty much requires it) Likely: Brothers (looks like the 2013 guy again! Has options, so not a lock) In the Mix: Betancourt (I… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

Jon Gray wants a job! Way to step up young man.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

I struggle with stuff like this because it ends up being what I think vs. what the Rox will do. I’m going with a 12-13 split, the way the Rox “should” play. Here’s what we know: 1 C – Hundley 2 C- McHenry 3 1B – Morneau 4 2B – LeMahieu 5 SS – Tulo 6 3B – NoDo 7 OF – Dickerson 8 OF – Blackmon 9 OF – Cargo 10 OF – Stubbs 11 Reserve – Descalso 12… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

When I look at this roster, I see a solid offense (I expect regression from Blackmon, Morneau, Tulo, and Stubbs – growth from Arenado and LeMahieu, and steady-state from the others). I see a solid defense. I see a solid Pen EXCEPT at closer. The Rox will regret not signing a Closer and moving all others “down” a slot. Then…….I see train wreck SP. I our solid offense, defense, and Pen could be joined with someone’s average SP (say NYMs… Read more »

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

sd… i believe willin will be the backup catcher and platoon with morneau… that allows an additional inf position if needed or keep mchenry… gray does not go north…he is kept in the minors allowing rox an additional year until arbitration…he must stay there for two weeks. hale is the replacement for DLR who will be out until at least may 1…gray up april 20 or so…butler is in the same position as JG so aslong as he performs well… Read more »

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
5 years ago
Reply to  EdtheUmp

just read where hale is injured…out of starting rotation competition…

now it begins anew…

brutal.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

Guys – I noted in my “footnotes” that Wilin will likely be the 12th offensive player. I didn’t forget Betancourt, I just haven’t seen him pitch. Everything I hear is positive though – so I certainly won’t be surprised if he makes it. Kahnle was optioned just a few hours ago – so that certainly enhances Betancourts odds. Sounds like Hale has the dreaded oblique injury. Those things always seem to take longer than the initial estimate. To me, all… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Since you think both Betancourt and Lannan are going to make the 25 man roster, who do you think will be removed from the 40 man roster?

The release of Chacin created one opening on the 40 man roster so that leaves space for one of them but not both.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Bob – that’s a great question. I don’t have a readily available answer.

I can see Wilin being traded, but presumably he would bring someone in return that would go on the 40 man roster. Does Brandon Barnes interest other teams? I sort of doubt it – but you never know. He might bring a low minor league prospect in return, hence clearing a spot.

Lots of moving parts across baseball as a whole.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

On the 40 man roster: every season I hear people fretting about “no room on the 40 man,” so every year I feel the need to point out some of the nobody-will-cry-if-we-lose-him players on that roster. This year’s version: Charlie Culberson (I think they keep him simply because he was what they got for Scutaro? Some kind of proof that O’Dowd was a savvy trader?) Rafael Ynoa (Cristhian Adames, Ynoa, no room for both) Chris Rusin (if you wanted to… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Add Brandon Barnes — replacement level outfielder.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

RMH, I basically agree. I’m in no particular hurry to dump anyone on our 40 man. I’m just pointing out that if some nonroster guy makes a big impression (we wish, with Lannan, but it ain’t happening), that’s a good problem to have. Hello Lannan, goodbye Bergman. Or if the Nationals (whose SIXTH starter is better than our ace) wind up waiving someone, Bridich shouldn’t hesitate for one moment to think “but can we risk losing Christian Bergman.” On Rosario:… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

Mets interested in Rex Brothers. That could have 40 man roster implications.

The Brady Aiken saga gets even more interesting. Turns out the kid had TJ earlier this week. Astros aren’t looking so dumb now. Rox have something like 4 of first 70 picks in upcoming amateur draft. Would you take him? I lean “no.”

Gary
Gary
5 years ago

CARGO HURT.knee problem-leaves in 4th inning v. Padres.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

oh boy! hope they are just being ultra conservative.

jdlr out to start the season. cargo with a tweaked knee (at best). brutal april schedule – 9 of first 12 on road, then a home stand against SD and LA. if we get to the end of april at 500 and have all of our guys available, we should have a RWO party.

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
5 years ago

Well, John Gray just made that decision a little easier.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

Hope he’s not hurt. Anyone at the game? Any velocity reports?

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Doesn’t appear to be anything wrong with him from reports. Disastrous start, but I still think he gets one more chance to prove he’s the best option. Meanwhile — Culberson and Descalso — why? I’m now convinced the neglected cheapo option Ynoa is better than both, not because he’s actually good, but because he can do a little more a little better than the other guys. Betancourt turned in another scoreless inning. Dickerson was scheduled to travel to Hermosillo Mexico… Read more »

Cisco Kid
Cisco Kid
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

I was listening to the game and from what I could tell Gray should have been out of the inning without giving up any runs. First Culberson pukes all over himself on a routine grounder, McHenry throws a ball away in trying to pick off a runner, McBride misjudged a catchable ball in right, and before you know it the inning got away from him. It appeared the kid was flustered. You wish he would have handled better, but hopefully… Read more »

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  Cisco Kid

You go to ST to perfect bunt defense and Gray gags twice on relatively routine plays.Maybe 50 shades of Gray fading away.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Ynoa is Johnny sparkplug with more pop.We need a guy like that and Culbertson should have non hit his way to the minors last year.He is a liability IMO.Descalso was a mistake and unnecessary pickup.Keep Ynoa.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Thanks for the update.

I subsequently read several reports that Gray’s velocity was fine and the inning wasn’t as bad as it “appeared” in the box score. I could care less if he has ST implosion. Happens to the best. Just didn’t want to read that his velocity was 89 instead of 94.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

The PAT theory for the Rox is more complicated than most teams, but today’s Lyles (6 IP) > Betancourt (1) > Ottavino (1) > Hawkins (1) is the single most fundamental part of it. If we can somehow get 6 IP out of our starters we have a chance.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

and that was back to back for “Betty” which is very positive.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago

Interesting “names”given out right releases-Matt Lindstrom,F.Doubront.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Gary, good point on Betty. They must have wanted to see if the arm could handle back to backs. If he feels good today I think we’ll see him back in our pen to start the season, which will be fun since we get to see how the new pace of the game rules impact Baseball’s Slowest Pitcher. As for the cuts, Dubront is kind of Boston’s (lately the Cubs) version of Chacin. Velocity down to 89 or so. Still,… Read more »

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

More “names” potentially available for fill in starter or depth.Scott Baker released by Yanks.K.Correia and J.Saunders sent down by Mariners.If Doubount has no cost he could be worth a look.Wasn’t Baker once a hot prospect for D-backs?

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
5 years ago

any reason why butler only pitched 1 inning today?

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Butler: “shoulder fatigue.” These guys aren’t exactly grabbing hold and not letting go of that 5th (or is it 4th?) starter spot. As they say, There is no such thing as a pitching prospect ….

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

I forgot: it must be the altitude! You know, the Scottsdale altitude of 1,257, since Butler has pitched exactly 2 games at Coors in his life.

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
5 years ago

Okay, I try to over do the spring training analysis, and we have a decent record, and a few players are putting up nice numbers…..but, what I am noticing, is when we lose, we lose big, and we lose consecutively.
I really don’t like that.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

First – Its never a good sign when a pitcher is shutdown for an injury near the end of a season, chooses rest and rehab, then has the same injury pop up again early the following year. Remember, Butler was shutdown last August with a bum shoulder. Second – lots here think we have a good Pen, and I tend to agree EXCEPT the Closer. Hawk needs to be in a setup role and used very selectively. Otherwise, his last… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

LaTroy has now had 2 awful outings in his last 3. Meanwhile, Ottavino is quietly becoming a true closer: consistently 95 mph with that swing and miss slider. I still think Hawk will be o.k., but the time has come to shift their roles.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Yep……it also needs to happen because I picked up Ottavino for my Fantasy taxi squad for $1 and need some Saves while Kenley Jansen rehabs.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

or by committee with Betty and Axford in the mix.Doesn’t matter without someone healthy to start every 5th day.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Gary

Gary – a committee of Ax, Zero, and Betty makes lots of sense. But baseball Managers (no matter what they say prior) like that “one” guy.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Oh, just to rub it in Drew Pomeranz threw 6 shutout innings vs. us today. Oh, and Brett Anderson threw 6 shutout innings for the Dodgers today. Next up: Jhoulys Chacin’s no hitter. Or Ubaldo Jimenez, perfect game.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

But Anderson should be on the DL by May and Drewpo should punch something or someone in a bar by Memorial Day.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Well, bring on Kevin Correia. Really. He’s kind of Kyle Kendrick 2.0! 7-17, 5.44 last year but … his component stats suggest that he didn’t really suck any worse than he has his whole career. I see an experiment underway: what if a team went with 5 replacement level innings eaters as starters …

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Here we go again and the season hasn’t even started!

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Ken Rosenthal’s take on the new Rockies pitching improvement “strategy”: http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/pitching-change-rockies-have-a-plan-to-improve-on-the-mound-032915 Short version: (1) better defensive catcher; (2) better pitching coaches; (3) no O’Dowd/Geivett dysfunction. Which sounds kind of like grasping at straws because the only ingredient missing is, well, better pitchers, which is kind of where I usually start. No pressure, Tyler Matzek (who goes today). You had a good finish to last season, and now it seems that the entire season is dependent on you continuing to pitch… Read more »

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

DLR is injured and will miss three starts. Hale is injured, as apparently is Butler. Gray and Bergmann are inconsistent, and Bettis got sent down. So, who’s the #4 starter for a few starts until DLR gets back and until we need to have five starters? What looked like decent depth now looks like slim pickings. I guess I vote for Bergman, and have Gray start the season in AAA and hope that he and Bettis can gain some consistency… Read more »

Pooter
Pooter
5 years ago

It’s almost like these young pitchers don’t want this MLB Starting Pitching job that lies on a silver platter for them. You would also think being young and a professional baseball player, that you would have built up enough arm strength to not get “shoulder fatigue” after throwing restricted innings in spring training. I don’t have much hope for Butler being a stud/savior for the Rockies.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago

Another “name”released to fill in/eat innings-Paul Maholm.His big claim to fame-striking out comic Billy Crystal in a ST game a few years back.ROX were supposedly interested in him in the past and he seems to stay healthy.BREAKING NEWS-Axford’s son bitten by rattle snake and Axford will be staying with him for a few days OR until he is well.You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried!

Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
5 years ago
Reply to  Gary

I know we always feel the Rox are snake bit with injuries but this takes the cake. Sounds very, very serious according to the DP article. Sure hope the little guy can make a complete recovery. I’m sure the last thing on Dad’s mind right now is pitching.

Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob in Indy

Update on Jameson Axford this afternoon is far more upbeat than what was published this morning. Glad that he’s doing better and his dad is getting back to pitching.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob in Indy

Thanks Bob…..good news indeed.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago

Another “name”released and available.Everyone’s fav-Felipe Paulino!!!!!! Also Jamie Wright.Is this the end of the long and well traveled road for a truly nice guy?

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
5 years ago

It seems like they are making the right decisions for the right reasons. Wish they found a trade partner for Brothers. That guy is toast.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

Still young with options so too early to give up on him IMO,Prog.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  ProgMatinee

There was some chatter that the Mets were interested in Brothers, but subsequently signed two “off the radar” lefties to minor league contracts. That probably should tells us how their scouts evaluated him.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago

Anyone bet the over/under on Tulo games played.ED? Vegas is setting number at 129.5.I think 130 would make us all happy.

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
5 years ago
Reply to  Gary

I’m putting Tulo at 105 games played.

Cargo 91.

Rockies 69-93…we beat the Dbacks for 4th in the West…same-old, same-old…

No SP’ers again. Bullpen gassed about Aug 13.

IMHO, let’s not kid ourselves…our SP’ing is worse than last year. I hope to hell I’m wrong but I am done being optimistic…please, please make me eat crow.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  EdtheUmp

Ed – I started the Hot Stove season in agreement with the projection algorithms that had us in the 76-78 win range. Then we did nothing of note in the offseason, so my “official” prediction earlier in this thread was 73. I’ll “officially” stick to that – but my real thoughts are trending lower. I agree with your 69 wins.

Trip
Trip
5 years ago
Reply to  EdtheUmp

Ed, Eeyore agrees, but thinks you are a little too optimistic

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  EdtheUmp

Thanks for the reply Ed.I really hope you’re wrong on the fragile twins as means no trade value and no hope.With half the potential SP/rotation down in just 30 days it sure doesn’t bode well for the next 6 months.

Pooter
Pooter
5 years ago

I agree with every move that has been made so far this spring! Lets get this season started!

Bob in Indy
Bob in Indy
5 years ago
Reply to  Pooter

That’s because Bridich reads the RWO website daily, O’Dowd didn’t. 🙂

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob in Indy

You may be right as opinion here[especially from me] was send Brothers down and keep Ynoa.So far we all look like GM material!

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

Wandy Rodriguez is available. Should we sign him?

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Worth a look? We wanted him under O’Dowd which worries me.May have something left in the tank and something to prove.CHEAP is only way to go on these scrap heap guys.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

Jon Gray shipped to ABQ. I wanted him to make the roster…….but he was bad 2 of his last 3 starts, so he made the decision easy for the Rox. I think we’ll see him soon. Interestingly, Eddie Butler is still in the running for a spot. I’m psyched that his shoulder must be OK. Looks like we’ll “only” go with 7 RP for the Milwaukee series. I think we’ll see this ballon to 8 at times during the season.… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Or (Nick Groke gets the credit for this – definitely not me) – Rox go with 4SP until JDLR is needed April 14th – and keep Bergman as the 8th BP arm.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

I saw that too. Bergman will be the long relief guy. The fourth starter job appears to be Butler’s to lose.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Butler so far hasn’t exactly responded well to having the spotlight on him. He tried to overthrow in his big league debut last summer, resulting in being shut down for shoulder pain. Then I guess he did the same thing last week with a rotation spot on the line — that was apparently more of a panic reaction to what they called “shoulder fatigue.” So I’m not confident about today’s start, his 3rd chance to nail down a rotation spot… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Agree Ag. I see the names in this rotation (Kendrick, Lyles, Butler, Matzek, JDLR) and I honestly can’t think of a group that looked worse “on paper” in my entire life as a baseball fan. The 2003 Detroit Tigers won 43 games (I believe that’s the worst record in the last 25 years or so). They had a rotation of Mike Maroth, Nate Cornejo, Jeremy Bonderman (who had – and ultimately realized – some minor upside), Gary Knotts, Adam Bernero,… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

sdcarp, what’s the opposite of the planets aligning? I hate to go all negative after trying to see all of us on how a playoff run isn’t an utterly ridiculous notion, but the Perfect Storm Theory (PST) kind of goes down to another 100 loss year. It starts out like this: – DLR’s injury lingers, he spends multiple stints on the IR and has trouble getting past 5 innings when he does pitch – Matzek feels the pressure of suddenly… Read more »

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

SD & Agbay… Both of you are correct in your assessments…I am, unfortunately, downgrading my prediction… I wrote earlier of my W-L prediction…69-93. Changing it to 65-97…I just do not see this staff (or any other combo) putting together any consistency this season. Man, oh man, I hope I am dead wrong but I don’t see how the Rox can win any more games with a rotation consisting of 2-#3’s (Matzek & Kendrick, and I believe I’m being kind with… Read more »

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

With all of the teams needing to let go of players who are out of options or don’t have a spot on their 25 or 40 man rosters, I’d think that we could find one starting pitcher to pick up who could be a decent #5 pitcher fill in until: DLR gets off of the DL; Butler recovers from shoulder fatigue and gets some seasoning in AAA; Gray gets some seasoning in AAA; Hale recovers from his injury; Bettis gets… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Butler blows his chance (again) — awful start, only lasts 7 outs, 6 H, 5 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1 HR. The gameday charter had him at 15 pitches, all strikes (!), so maybe it was more a case of giving hitters lots of fat fastballs down the middle. No velocity info, but it can’t be good to be hit that hard that often. With just 15 pitches thrown, I can’t believe he’ll be ready to start Game 3… Read more »

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

I don’t see Butler being in the Rockies’ rotation at this point. Based on who we currently have, I think that you go with Bergman, and let Butler work on things in Albuquerque. So, who becomes the long reliever if Bergman starts? I fear that the long reliever will get a lot of work. This is a terrible rotation.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Well, the obvious choice is Gray, who has been both (1) more healthy (2) more impressive. So far I’ve resisted getting into criticism about manipulating service time since Gray hasn’t really earned the rotation spot. But in this war of attrition, he’s clearly the best choice. Put him on the big league roster, Butler in Albuquerque, spare us the Christian Bergman starts, Bridich — don’t act like a loser like your old boss.

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

The Astros DFAed Alex White. The Rockies could always put in a waiver claim on him. LOL

Banjar
Banjar
5 years ago

Just read that Barry Zito has been outrighted to Oakland’s AAA team.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago

Wow, the negativity index sure has spiked here in the last week.What happened to all the talk[mostly BS it seems] about the pitching “depth”etc.Maybe a couple of weeks of snow outs will cheer everybody up.Come on guys-baseball season is here.There should be joy in Mudville as the birds are singing and the sun is shining.PLAY BALL!

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago

Johnny “Sparkplug” Herrera seems to have made the Cubs.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/04/cubs-designate-ryan-sweeney-for-assignment.html

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago

EY Jr. added to Braves 40 man roster.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Pooter moving to Atlanta?Already blowing up Braves blogs and feeds with EY hype!

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago

WOW!! Padres are still at it. They just got Craig Kimbrel and Melvin (B.J.)Upton JR. from the Braves. I am assuming that they had to take Upton in order to get Kimbrel.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/04/padres-have-completed-trade.html

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Brilliant move by the Braves. They’re goung to suck (not as bad as us…..but bad), their management knows it, so they trade on of their best commodities for Weisler (maybe a #3 guy in a few years, a #41 pick, and free up cash). The Melvin Upton for Cameron Maybin part seems to be bad contract for bad contract, but I think the Braves got the best part of that as well.

The Padres get a flat out nasty BP.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Wow. It is brilliant — as Bob K. says, they dump the other Upton’s contract, and the price they pay is giving up Kimbrel too. And depressing for us in the short term, since the Pads just got better again in 2015 while we got a utility infielder and a journeyman catcher.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

EDIT: apparently the Braves will now DFA Carlos Quentin, who came back to them in the Kimbrel deal. Rox should sign him because he fits perfectly here — hasn’t been able to stay on the field for more than 86 games since 2011 — he’d make Tulo and Cargo look like ironmen!

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Pads had to send two damned good relievers down-Maurer and Quackenbush[not G.Marx character].We should have such depth.

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