Time for the Rockies to Start a Trend

Trevor Story

Remember last year when Kris Bryant ripped apart the Cactus League only to be sent to AAA to delay his service time clock? George Springer delayed until April 16, 2015? Bryce Harper April 28, 2012? Jordan Zimmermann April 20th, 2009? Evan Longoria April 8th, 2008?

I’m NOT comparing Trevor Story to these guys. But on a bad team, with a black hole at SS, he has earned the job from Opening Day. The Rox could (and should) make the bold move of giving him what he has earned. Could it cost the Rox down the road? Sure, it “could.” But what if it earns the Rox a little street cred with Agents? Heaven forbid, what if the Rox earned a reputation of being fair with young players. What if Story proves to be legit and the Club approaches him two years down the road with a Club friendly deal to buy out his arbitration years? Think maybe he might remember the Rox did the right thing?

Lots of questions here. The Rox should dare to be bold.

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Bob in WV
Bob in WV
4 years ago
Pooter
Pooter
4 years ago

Off topic as well but did you all see that Juan Nicasio struck out 10 batters in 4 innings today!! Has not allowed an earned run in spring.

Also, Eric Young Jr. is batting .370 for the spring with an OPS of 781!

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

The Rockies need to take lessons from the Pirates on how to handle pitchers. Nicasio struck out the last 7 batters he faced and only allowed one hit to Machado.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/gametracker/recap/MLB_20160316_PIT@BAL

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Nicasio was miscast as a SP. Had he been slotted in as a reliever, he might still be here.

Unfortunately, this happens (miscasting RP as SP) all to frequently here. I think it might be happening to Eddie Butler now. Dare I say……It might be happening to Jon Gray as well (go ahead and pooh-pooh me….I can take it).

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Apparently the Pirates disagree with you since they are stretching him out as an SP.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

I have a lot of respect for the Pirates….so I’m not arguing with them!

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

His end results were good today but he would not have gone much deeper in the game with 5 hits, 2 walks and men on base every inning. He is now up to 5 walks in his 15 innings pitched. Nicasio may well be this year’s Pirates reclamation project that makes good. It never was going to happen the way the Rockies handle pitchers. I hope you are right in the Rockies dumping Weiss this year. It is my opinion… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Nicasio made the SP rotation with the Pirates.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Some interesting results from today’s ST game vs. the Halos (I’m back in CO, so these are simply box score observations): Gray goes 4 IP. Only needed 55 pitches. Only one BB. Hopefully he threw at least a few curve balls. A Bettis/Gray/Lyles/JDLR/Chatwood (setting aside my personal opinion about managing him) rotation is not awful. In fact, if they can stay generally healthy, I can see it being a park adjusted “average” National League rotation. Way under the radar, Jason… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

It really doesn’t take much to be better than Boone Logan.

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago

Carp, I noticed that too in the gameday feed — looked like Gray was sharp. I kept waiting last year for that one dominant start that would make us all say o.k., maybe he is a future ace after all. I do think it’ll come early this year. On the other hand, they dragged Hoffman over from minor league camp and he got torched. Oh well, plenty of time for him. Gameday pitch-by-pitch had the velocity numbers: Gray 94-96, Hoffman… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago

Miguel Castro: 98-99 pitching the 9th today. Carp, I’m think you were right here may be right here – he may be a great fit in the bullpen.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

I think so (Bull Pen). The major league game had evolved so much in the post-PED era. There’s no shame in being slotted to the BP, even early in a career. The value of high leverage relievers is at an all-time high. If there’s a kid with a power arm that is struggling to find a 3rd and/or 4th pitch……so be it. Keep it simple. Let them fling it from the Pen.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

The reason that no one signed Justin Morneau this off season is because he had elbow surgery.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/03/justin-morneau-out-til-mid-season-after-offseason-elbow-surgery.html

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
4 years ago

Don’t forget we have Eddie Butler, German Marquez, andAntonio Senzatela. Half of me says put Senz in AAA but half of me says AA. Senz had been impressive in camp. When I saw him on MLB.tv he had pinpoint control and stayed out of fat part of the plate.

I’m just pointing them out cuz inevitably at least two or three SPs will hit the DL during the season.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Chris Rusin, and even our old friend Johan Flande, is out there also. Here’s what “should” happen (again, I’m setting aside my personal feelings about managing Chatwood’s health); Jake McGee Jason Motte Justin Miller Chad Qualls Jason Gurka Miguel Castro Boone Logan Johan Flande Chad Bettis JDLR Jon Gray Jordan Lyles Tyler Chatwood I’m not listing Chris Rusin (yet) because I’m guessing he’ll need some extra time due to his (mild) injury. I’m also not listing Scott Oberg because I… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

While Rusin may start the season on the DL, he won’t be starting in Albuquerque because he is out of options.

I see you made your list without any regard to the 40 man roster or out of option players.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Bob – I purposely disregarded the 40 man roster, because I still believe we’re carrying several non-worthy players. However, I frequently lose track of options, so that’s (Rusin) a mistake on my part. Sorry about that.

Knowing our penchant for injuries, I suspect Rusin will be contributing on the Major League Roster by May. I suppose they’ll keep him on the DL and in extended ST until that time.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
4 years ago

Even knowing that we have a bad team, I can’t wait anymore for OD! So I’m jumping the gun with my projected OD lineup:

Blackmon CF
LeMahieu 2B
CarGo RF
Arenado 3B
Reynolds/Paulsen 1B
Parra LF
Hundley C
Adames SS until past minimum time to delay service time for Story
Pitcher

bench – Reynolds/Paulsen, Ynoa (until Story arrives then DFA replaced by Adames), Garneau (let Murphy play everyday at AAA), Raburn, and Barnes (useful for late inning defensive replacement)

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Good call on Murphy.

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Are any of you guys and girls following this CWS/Adam LaRoche saga? It’s getting ugly fast!

roxnsox
roxnsox
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

I know the basics. While I can see that kids should not become clubhouse regulars to the apparent extent that this boy has, and it’s an extreme decision in some ways by LaRoche, I am really disappointed in the vitriolic disbelief directed at him for making this choice. “How could he leave $13 million on the table? Idiot!” #familyfirst

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago
Reply to  roxnsox

Certainly seems like it could have been handled better by the Sox.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

Eddie Butler and Tom Murphy sent to minor league camp.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Also sent to minor league camp are:

Carlos Estevez
German Marquez
Raimel Tapia
Sam Moll
Noel Cuevas
Jordan Patterson

http://m.rockies.mlb.com/news/article/168043872/rockies-makes-roster-cuts

sdcarp
sdcarp
4 years ago

Very nice, effective 4 IP from Jordan Lyles today, on the heels of Gray’s nice 4 IP yesterday.

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago

Gray: we all heard that he was shelving the curve for now. I checked the gameday pitch-by-pitch after his last appearanace. It was 100% fastballs and sliders. So that off-speed 3rd pitch thing is still a work in progress. Carp, as you’ve said, that’ll be the difference between him being a reliever – and maybe a very good one – vs. a front-end of the rotation starter. I’m thinking it’s more likely at this point that he starts the season… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago

I’m no kid, but I’m pretty damn sure I can grab a ball, swivel, and throw without having a hernia. Pretty much every pitcher is a wuss these days. (I’m now officially channeling Ed the Ump.) That’s why a guy like Bumgarner is worth his weight in gold. 200 + innings pitched 5 years in a row, and that’s not counting lots of playoff/WS innings. I’m sure he’s “felt something” from time to time when he swings for the fences… Read more »

Pooter
Pooter
4 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Totally agree Ag. Can you see Nolan Ryan back in the day feeling something and reporting this to his trainers? I would like to think if I were in Gray’s position my arm would have to fall off before I would report anything to the trainers. I don’t mean to sound like a meat head but I don’t think true ace/bulldog type pitchers would go on the DL for this type of thing. This attitude is why he will never… Read more »

roxnsox
roxnsox
4 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Equally, people rip players for keeping quiet about injuries, leading to long-term shelving or worse. So which is it? (And how do you know how severe this is, that you are ripping the kid? I don’t like it, Ag. But the coach comment has merit.)

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago
Reply to  roxnsox

OK, Roxnsox, you have a point – I don’t know what’s wrong with Gray, and I’ll really look like a fool if it turns out to be something serious. Maybe I just feel as if the Rockies culture over the years has turned into less of “I have to try every way possible to stay on the field so the team can compete” to “I better watch out for myself first, particularly since this team isn’t going anywhere with or… Read more »

roxnsox
roxnsox
4 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Ag, these are very good points as well. Sad commentary on the possible mindset(s) in their culture. Hope not. Also, I apologize for calling you out. That’s not my place or my (usual) way.

Doc
Doc
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Thanks for the link, sdcarp–interesting that they were talking about this last year and still… I’m thinking the culture that needs to change is the attitude of the organization– win every 5-6 years is horse puckey. The underlying message in the dugout is we’re cursed. I would imagine it’s easier to endure the process if you’re on the DL. Dugger babies them and management condones it. Doesn’t sound like a winning attitude to me. Poor us but we’ll party on.… Read more »

Doc
Doc
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Hey, Carp, rest easy, my friend. You may be the bus driver, but your bus is full of true believers who believe the Rox would be a much better team with new ownership. Please don’t feel obligated to congratulate them on having the best party-park in the NL. It only proves they’re in baseball for the money and not for the love of the game. As a passenger on the bus, I’d much rather listen to you feed me factual… Read more »

roxnsox
roxnsox
4 years ago
Reply to  Doc

Anyone’s feelings about party decks aside, it’s great to have a clean, well-maintained baseball park. I don’t think there’s any diversionary tactic here by carp.

roxnsox
roxnsox
4 years ago

I’ve heard a lot about Mr. Story and seen a bit too (watching today – his 5th HR). I’d love your overall assessments. I sure like him. Is he a 5-tool guy? 4?

roxnsox
roxnsox
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Thanks! Good info. I wondered about the 5 tools because the announcers said yesterday something like “he can fly” (as he was heading for a double, I believe).

We’ve got us a good homegrown shortstop!

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Trevor Story is so much faster than Arenado that it isn’t funny. I would put Arenado in the same class as Helton when it comes to speed.

Story of course is nowhere near Raimel Tapia in speed (who else on the Rockies is?) but I believe he has above average speed since he has been able to score from first when the batter hits a legitimate double.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

You and I have a totally different view of what a good outing looks like. Bettie only went 5 1/3 inning. It took him 98 pitches to get that deep in the game. He did leave the game only having given up 2 runs but left with 2 men on base that Justin Miller quickly allowed to score making a total of 4 runs in 5 1/3 innings.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

To the best of my knowledge, Dustin Garneau has 3 options and Wolters has 2 options. http://rockiesroster.com/rockies/40-man/ Ryan Casteel, Tom Murphy and Jackson Williams are all assigned as catchers to Albuquerque. Wolters has looked good at 2nd base and has hit well this spring. The impression that I get is that they are looking at adding Wolters as a utility player rather than as just the backup catcher. I am guessing that Ynoa doesn’t make the team (2 options) and… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

I think Garneau and Paulsen both make the 25 man roster. The only problem I see with adding Wolters to the 25 man roster is his development would probably be better if he was playing daily instead of sitting on the bench.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

AA level is the highest Wolters has gone. I’d play it safe and stash him in AAA and then bring him up permanently in late May.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

I forgot about Raburn in my calculations. Because of his options I don’t think Ynoa has a chance of making the team. At this time Raburn isn’t even on the 40 man roster. I personally have not been impressed with Raburn. He appears to be strictly a platoon player against left handed pitchers. I am guessing that Raburn makes the team just because that is how the Rockies do business. That will probably leave Barnes in the minors because of… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

“nterestingly enough Spillbourghs was saying that Paulsen is a career .280 hitter against left handed hitting.” Obviously should be pitching and not hitting.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
4 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

To let u know, if you discover a typo after posting, just click on “Edit” link right after the date/time stamp of your post. That way you don’t have to write another post to make the correction.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

Thanks for the information but I suspect that option is not available to me since I have never joined the site and am never logged in. I have never seen an “Edit” link and suspect that it is because of the above mentioned reasons.

roxnsox
roxnsox
4 years ago

I don’t see an Edit link and I’m logged in. ??

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
4 years ago
Reply to  roxnsox

Don’t worry about this Edit link for now. I believe our website will be overhauled and be better. When? Don’t know yet.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
4 years ago

Ynoa & Schlitter optioned to minors. Looks like Adames & Tulo 2.7 are on the OD roster unless Tony Wolters somehow makes the team. But I remind you that Wolters has played up to AA at the highest level.

I don’t think Raburn will make the team; he didn’t exactly knock down the door and he was signed to a minor league contract so no need to have him take away roster space.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Wolters, Adames, and Story all made the team!

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

Ryan Rayburn also makes the 25 man roster. I am pretty sure that he was promised a position when he signed his minor league deal. Its the way the Rockies do business. Same thing with John Axford last year.

roxnsox
roxnsox
4 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

The fence graphic was interesting. I wonder what the material is. Also, Bridich hinted strongly that Story is on the team, service time manipulations be damned. They were discussing him specifically and the GM said “If a player has earned the job and makes our team better, he’s earned the job” or something to that effect.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

Jamie Wright to retire.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/03/jamey-wright-to-retire.html

Matt Belisle has made the Nats 25 man roster.

Franklin Morales released by Brewers.

Clint Barmes released by Royals.

Colorado Thistle
Colorado Thistle
4 years ago

Fitting for this thread’s theme: Trevor Story is named our starting shortstop. Fantastic news!

I’m really glad the service time issue didn’t come into this equation. Congratulations to him, he forced the choice on the team through excellent play. Pretty good stuff from a 23 year old guy.

Pooter
Pooter
4 years ago

I have to say I am pretty excited for April 4th! I can see myself becoming a fan of Wolters and Story. How cool would that be if Story had a better season in 2016 than Tulo? I realize those are unrealistic expectations but that is what I like to do in the Spring. I’m hoping M Castro makes the big club. If this rotation can have 3-4 career years in it, then I have a good feeling about the… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
4 years ago
Reply to  Pooter

Motte has strained shoulder; so if he starts on the 15-day DL, it is likely M. Castro makes the team.

Pooter
Pooter
4 years ago

That is not the way I was hoping it would work out…..

Agbayani
Agbayani
4 years ago

Antonio Senzetela – my quick, very amateur scouting report. I finally got down to Arizona for a few days and caught Senzetela’s extended appearance (well, 3 out of 5 innings) earlier this week. Weiss put him in to face the heart of the Dbacks lineup in the 4th inning. First hitter, Chris Owings, all fastballs — out on a weakly hit ball. Next hitter, Goldschmidt: all fastballs. Goldschmidt was patient, Helton-like in his approach, and he caught up with the… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

Rockies release Kyle Parker.

Braves add Drew Stubbs to 25 man roster.

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

As expected, Dan Winkler made the Braves 25 man roster.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh
4 years ago

Corey Dickerson in OD lineup today as DH hitting 4th!

Bob K.
Bob K.
4 years ago

Dickerson went 1 for 4 with a solo home run.

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