Today is Future Day (Not Yet Win Day) on Jon Gray and some guys in grey v Pirates

What are the Colorado Rockies? At this point they are clearly playing out the string but the question is whether this is a baseball team or merely a business. One thing they are is a very deep farm system.

 

Look around the positions on the field and they usually have 2 good prospects at each position. In some cases, more than 2. Right now the Rockies have arguably the 2nd best third baseman in baseball in Nolan Arenado. But they also have several good prospects in their minor league system playing 3rd. From the well-known Ryan McMahon to recent draft pick Tyler Nevin and the less well-known Kevin Padlo who failed at Ashville but when sent down to Boise has torn up the Pioneer League (OBP of .418 over the 61 games plus 32 steals). They also have a pretty deep roster of catching prospects, from Tom Murphy to Dom Nunez down at Ashville. Their shortstop list includes recent top pick Brendan Rodgers, high riser Trevor Story and interesting prospect Cristhian Adames. As our friends at Purple Row asked, what is Jose Reyes still doing on the Rockies roster (I am guessing $22 million for two more years, hence the question of whether they are just a business).

 

The outfield has several interesting players but David Dahl and Raimel Tapia, both top 100 prospects in most lists. Only at 2B, with Forrest Wall, is the cupboard bare for a while (though Mike Benjamin has proven valuable enough to cover the position if the team decides to trade their All-Star and Gold Glover man (and for reasons I cannot understand, recent clean-up hitter) DJ LeMaiheu. The pitching group is harder to figure out. Because of course of the potential of injuries (such as took down Tyler Anderson), strange occurrences (Tyler Matzek’s loss of control) and loss of stuff (Eddie Butler) but after the trade of Tulo, they have added three great arms, drafted several in June and still have the likes of Kyle Freeland coming and Jon Gray already here. And Tyler is making some nice strides and might be able to find his way back – remember, his stuff isn’t just unhittable because its all balls, its also actually hard to hit. And…sometimes players figure it out all of a sudden and begin to add strikeouts to their other tools (Antonio Senzatela, who is suddenly drawing comparisons to Jhoulys Chacin. So, the future is bright aside from the lack of prospects to cover 1B (which is to be fair the easiest position to find of a player to replace struggling production.

 

But…that future is at earliest next year and probably 2017 away. And for now…its Jon Gray night.

 

Don’t worry about last time out. Every pitcher has a bad outing every so often (which is why Gibson’s 1.12 ERA in 1968 was…amazing). Tonight we get to see him take on a real live solid baseball club in the Pirates, in Pittsburg. The Pirates star starter is Garrett Cole who I think is the best case scenario for Gray. Watch him pitch and you will see the similarities. Tonight going for the Pirates is the still very good Francisco Liriano (who still has two very good pitches…maybe Freeland could make that level…not sure the comparison is right).

 

The one thing we do know about the Rockies is that…and I know this sounds strange…they have a chance to get more wins on the road this year than at home. With one less road game they are 3 behind in wins on the road (24) than at home (27) where to be honest…they stink this year. After taking 2 out of 3 against the pretty bad Braves, can they crimp the Pirates sails as they try and catch the Cardinals from behind (was going to try a “stealing the wind from the bird” thing but it just didn’t work). Will be an interesting weekend of baseball.

 

Rox Position Pirates Position
Reyes SS Polanco RF
DJ 2B Marte LF
Arenado 3B McCutchen CF
CarGp RF Kang 3B
Hundley C Walker 2B
McBride 1B Cervelli C
Parker LF Alvarez 1B
Barnes CF Mercer SS
Gray P Liriano P
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Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Nice write-up, Dr. C. Just tuned in to watch Oberg in the blowpen role tonight. Goodman’s trite point of the night actually has the virtue of being correct this time: Pirates are just sound in al phases. We’re not.

RocketMan
RocketMan
5 years ago

The blowpen’s scoreless streak ends after 80 batters. Not bad. I don’t see how these outings are doing Gray much good. He’s not really ready, he can’t throw enough innings and he’s not going to get any wins to bolster his confidence. He’s also clearly a thrower, not a pitcher (yet) and when he’s in trouble he simply starts to throw harder and that doesn’t help him. Spilly’s noting on the post-game that he’s not getting as much velocity as… Read more »

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  RocketMan

Disagree.Took a really great throw and with our inability to score runs and place in the standings just go for it!

RocketMan
RocketMan
5 years ago
Reply to  Gary

Oh yeah. For a moment I forgot what we are now rooting for, 100 or more losses. It won’t happen again.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

I see Justin Morneau has started a rehab assignment in New Britain.

This is another wonderful opportunity for our beloved losers to be dumb asses. Would it surprise anyone in the RWO group if Morneau is brought back in a week and sucks up half of Paulsen’s time in the last month……then the BSCS exercises their mutual option with him for 2016 and bring him back 9M????? Seriously – would that surprise anyone?

EdtheUmp
EdtheUmp
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Not me!!

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

I can’t imagine that we’d resign Morneau for nine million dollars, or for any amount at this point. We can fill 1B inexpensively internally and devote those dollars to other positions of need, such as pitching.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

That’s because you have a brain and use it! I feel certain all RWOers agree with you. Unfortunately, we’re not pulling the strings.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

For the most part, I haven’t followed Tulo since he’s been in Toronto, but I always follow the teams…….and the Blue Jays are continuing to just offensively brutalize opponents. On the surface, Tulo hasn’t been a big contributor (his average has “sunk” to about 280). But in general, that team can hit!

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

Thanks Carp, but I’m not sure that my wife and 17 year old son would always agree with you. LOL. Why would the Rockies spend nine million dollars to resign Morneau when they are not going to be competitive next year (it’s the competitive window point that you’ve made repeatedly), they have Paulsen, Parker, and McBride at minimum major league salaries to handle the position short term, plus Rosario if they can’t trade him this offseason (they should try to… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Your correct about McMahon. He’s definitely destined for 1st. That being said, I think the Rockies have been correct to not move him yet. Playing 3rd in the minors has historically been good preparation for 1st in the majors. However, switching to 1st next next year at AA will be prudent…….because he’s the type that may not spend much time at AAA. I’m telling everyone now, don’t be surprised if Brendan Rodgers moves to 3rd. The kid is going to… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

The Mets acquire Addison Reed from the DBacks. Reed not that long ago was the White Sox Closer…..and a good, young one. The DBacks traded for him, and he’s basically sucked for them (he was on a downhill trajectory when the White Sox traded him). It will be interesting to see what the DBacks get in return.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

Good stuff – that 3rd guy we got in the Tulo trade might be OK:

Purple Dino Podcast (@purpledinocast)
8/29/15, 6:31 PM
After 7 more shutout IP tonight, here’s Jesus Tinoco’s numbers in 6 starts with Asheville…

0.77 ERA (3 ER/35 IP), 29-7 K-BB, 6.7 hits/9

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

And the first guy we got for Tulo, Jeff Hoffman, is not too bad either. Six innings pitched tonight, one single, two walks, one unearned run, and six strikeouts, 10 groundouts, and only two fly outs.

The Blue Jays win big tonight, but Tulo was one for five (a single) with four strikeouts.

So far, I’m liking the trade. Now if we could only figure out a way to get rid of Reyes, then it would get better.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

Call me crazy……but I sort of liked Gurka. 93MPH for a LHer, seems like he knows where it’s going, nice breaking ball.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Gurka – not crazy at all, carp. Didn’t see him pitch, but your scouting report is in line with his minor league stats. Profiles as a LOOGY – lefties haven’t posted better than a .563 OPS against him in the last 3 years, but I wonder how he’ll do vs. big league righties. You never want to overpay for a LOOGY (Boone Logan, are you listening?), so finding a cheap one is worthwhile. (No, it’s not like finding a sleeper… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Gurka was in a tough spot last night. The Pirates are good, and they’re on a roll. He threw some good pitches that were hit by good hitters. But the Rox Pen is so bad…..it’s not like he can be babied and slotted into easy situations in the beginning. Plus…..he’s older. He’ll handle it well. He doesn’t look like (and the minor league numbers support this) like a guy that will come in a walk guys. He also appears to… Read more »

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

I think the Rockies did pretty good in this year’s Rule 5 draft. They traded the player they drafted for Jairo Diaz who has looked good to me in relief. Because they traded the player they picked, they didn’t have to be concerned about giving him back if he didn’t stick on the roster.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

Big loss! Stay 1 game in the loss column ahead of Phi/Mia/Cin in the ultra-competitive race for the #1 pick in the amateur draft.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

Carp, Agbayani has said that it’s going to be a deep draft and that there will be several picks that are all roughly equal, so that it may actually be better to have the third or fourth pick and pay less for a player of roughly equal talent. Of course, it’s nice to be able to have your choice of anyone you want, regardless of cost. Although the year we picked second and took Greg Reynolds, we know how that… Read more »

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The cool thing about drafting first is that when (not if) the Rockies blow the pick we can say that had the choice of the litter and there won’t be any wondering.

Though, I’m sure we’ll pick some high school kid who won’t sign. LOL.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

Freeland goes 71/3 tonight for Modesto and gives up only 2 runs. Good outing.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

And the first September expanded roster addition is … KYLE KENDRICK! [sigh]

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Kendrick beats Morneau to line in a photo finish!

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

Agbayani, the good news is that he’ll only pitch one in 6 days, because it will be a six man rotation. Will they bring up Butler just to give him a few more starts before the season ends (a seven man rotation?)?

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Julian, the 6 man rotation makes some kind of sense for the Mets since they have 3 superb pitchers they want to keep reasonably fresh for the playoffs (plus a couple other starters as good as anything we have right now). For the Rockies? That’s committing us to a September of DLR-Gray (who probably only has a couple starts left, regardless of the 6 man rotation)-Flande-Rusin-Kendrick. A crappy pitcher 4 days a week … … so what would I do?… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

I thought of the Twins scenario last night. They’ve got that man-child beast Miguel Sano DHing while his elbow gets stronger post TJ. He’s RHed and super young. Morneau could help.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

Funny thing is……the Twins and Rangers are the only serious AL wildcard contenders trending up (better). Both are 7-3 in their last 10. The Twins are Phil Hughs-less at the moment. They could use a SP. They also have a long history of getting mileage out of JDLR “types.” But you need mental toughness to pitch in a playoff race. I’ll say no more.

Bob K.
Bob K.
5 years ago

No need to worry about Ken Roberts anymore. The Phillies claimed him off of waivers.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/08/phillies-claim-ken-roberts-off-waivers.html

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Bob K.

Another name to add to your ex-Rockies watch list!

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Probably become the second coming of Robin Roberts!

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