TULO TRADED TO TORONTO

The Rockies have traded Tulo to Toronto.

It’s late night now,  but more details will emerge soon enough.  Rumors has it that Rox might flip Reyes to a third team.  It also bears watching what happened when Tulo was replaced by Descalso in the 9th inning. ..injury or trade notification.  Sure hope the injury doesn’t kill the deal.

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gary
gary
5 years ago

Who?

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

STUD.

gary
gary
5 years ago

Hope this will make all RWOer’s happy,but it makes me sad.Need to see what prospects we get and how we the use the money saved but will miss the great plays.Hope we got a closer because Axford is done.Anyone else notice how after the “personnel reasons”absence he hasn’t gotten anyone out? One run in first 19 appearances and 15 runs in last ten[give or take a run-i’m winging it here].Will Cargo be next?

jaredean
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jaredean
5 years ago
Reply to  gary

I’m sad too Gary, but honestly if we think we can get any sort of pitching with the same head-pounding directions we keep taking then we are fooling ourselves. Blow it up and start over is the only way i can really see us getting the types of arms that change the game. Not sure about the players we are getting back – don’t know about them – but they are pitchers and that is a big step in the… Read more »

DonnyDinger
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DonnyDinger
5 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

Yeah, Troy Renck pointed out that the Rox have rarely developed pitching from lower levels. My response was there are three ways to get pitching: draft, trade for AA-level prospects, or sign Kyle Kendrick. I vote for the first two. Tulo is my 2nd favorite player behind Trout. I learned a long time ago (Tom Seaver trade, and the untimely death of Thurman Munson) it’s less frustrating to be a fan of the game than it is to live and… Read more »

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

Well said.

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

I agree.He could be in playoffs this year which may be as close as any Rockies fan gets.

DonnyDinger
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DonnyDinger
5 years ago

I didn’t think Bridich had the chimichangas. AgentGate appears to have cut deeper than first thought. First, there’s the $94M-$44M factor. $50M is a lot of new-found flexibility. Even before a Reyes flip. Second, even if Reyes stays, he’s a 1 year plan at best. Trevor Story gets a look next year, and Brendon Rodgers bumps him to 2nd base in 3 years. Pitchers coming back are intriguing. Jeff Hoffman may be the better find, and what’s not to like… Read more »

jaredean
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jaredean
5 years ago
Reply to  DonnyDinger

Perfect time for CarGo to take the NL PotW honors — his stock is huge right now, especially after his double-dingers tonight…

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

Damn right!

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  DonnyDinger

anything about the personal issues I mentioned?He hasn’t been the same since then.

RocketMan
RocketMan
5 years ago

Bring dynamite.
And a crane.
Blow it up and start over again.

Now we get to see if anything changes….

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

From the other thread: Jeff Hoffman – Jays #3 Prospect. AA. Post TJ guy. Former #9 OA pick even though he had just had TJ surgery. Already has moved to AA. Fits 2018/19 timeline. Miguel Castro – Jays # 5 Prospect. This guy is a STUD. Grade 70 fastball. Made a brief cameo as the Jays Closer earlier this year. Some scouts thought he was the best young pitcher in the Grapefruit League this Spring. This will test the Rox.… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

FYI guys – grade 70 is scouting lingo for maximum score. 70 = A+.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Castro 98 MPH on gun at virtually sea level in Toronto. He may tick over 100 at 5280.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

One immediate thought I have after seeing this (I’m so proud of Bridich for going to school on Jon Hart!) – the Rox can get more for Cargo than I have recently proposed. Bridich has some cojones, and Cargo is healthy and hot. We’re clearly seeing that Clubs aren’t hung up of contract $$$$ as much as length of contract. Cargo “only” has 2 years, 37 M remaining. Cargo could also fit a 2nd category of buyer – a team… Read more »

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

I like the trade. The financial savings and increased flexibility are great. And the pitchers sound promising and it sounds like there’ll be a third minor leaguer coming our way as well. Now, flip Reyes and save that money. Maybe get something for him. And, now we can start the bidding for CarGo. He appears to be back to stud status. We know what he can do when he’s playing this way. He can be a game changer for a… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

If the Rox do the right thing and focus Castro in the Pen as Closer – it just got better (pending Axford).

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
5 years ago

Time will tell, but the fact they finally broke free of their stagnation is good news.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Random thoughts on the deal: 1. A fond farewell to Tulo. About 2 minutes after I saw the news I started thinking about that magical run in 2007, not about the frustrations of the last few years. In his own way, as memorable as Ozzie at SS. Really one of a kind in his prime. 2. This is mostly about clearing bad contracts for carp’s 2018-21 run. No bad contracts after 2017. Taking Reyes hurts — after Tulo’s injury last… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Ag – funny but true side story. I think I’ve mentioned before I’m an Owner in a very advanced, competitive, longtime Fantasy League. There was actually a mild “fight” in our auction this Spring for Miguel Castro.

DonnyDinger
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DonnyDinger
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Yeah, there is a lot of ranting on how Tulo got a “raw deal” being lifted in the 9th, stashed in Weiss’ office, and smuggled out of clubhouse and hotel. How Monfort allegedly promised he’d be notified and consulted with about a trade. PFFFFFFFFT. Bridich was very, very, very unhappy about how Tulo made a production out of breakfast with his agent in LA. “I’ve never said one thing about a trade,” except for letting his agent do the posturing.… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
5 years ago

Wow, all I can say is wow. I am struggling to understand this trade. I must be missing something. I guess either some of the now current rumors on twitter are true or they will exercise the $4m buyout when it comes time. I feel bad for Tulo. He is going to play on the turf of Toronto. The turf that has kept Reyes about as injured as Tulo over the last few seasons. Now I wish the Rockies had… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

Ag – two more random thoughts to add to your excellent ones: 1. Jose Reyes is a textbook candidate for a WAIVER trade deadline deal. After July 31st, a player must pass through waivers prior to being traded (September 1st +/- is the absolute deadline). At 32 years old, and owed 48M, Reyes will easily pass through waivers. At that point, I can see a contending team wanting him (and giving up a decent Prospect in the process) for say… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Plausible for sure. Here is the problem. If you believe the Toronto fans on their favorite site(s), nobody wanted a declining 32 yr old that has injury issues, except apparently the Rockies.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

Hey Jaredean/DD/RMH/Jeem (i.e. – people more Word Press savvy than I) – I think it would be appropriate to setup a Cargo trade topic thread. I definitely think it’s going to happen. In fact – Jon Heyman (CBS) is reporting that it will happen.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

Jesus Tinoco is 3rd player in deal: Cut and paste from MLB.com: “When the Blue Jays signed Tinoco out of Venezuela in the fall of 2011, they saw a tall and projectable right-hander they hoped would evolve into big league starting material. It looks like he just might be starting to put it together. The 6-foot-4 20-year-old has natural size and arm strength working in his favor. With a loose arm, he can run his fastball up to 94-95 mph.… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

20 years old.

DonnyDinger
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DonnyDinger
5 years ago

Good FanGraphs writeup on Hoffman, Castro, Tinoco:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouting-the-prospects-in-the-tulowitzki-trade/

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  DonnyDinger

Thanks DD.

I encourage everyone to read this. Bridich did very well in this deal……and it’s not finished yet.

sabrchip
sabrchip
5 years ago

Hey, thanx guys for the scouting reports. Haven’t been around for a while. This team’s been a bit troubling to follow. The trade looks good right now, especially if the Reyes flip bears fruit. Might have to be a waiver deal after Labor Day when Story can come up. The Mets still might be a decent option since Reyes does have some offensive skills and they do have some arms. Freeing up cash is the best thing that can happen… Read more »

jaredean
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jaredean
5 years ago

Here is an article with some “inside” knowledge touching on what Double-D mentioned above – Tulo not knowing although he was promised he would be given a chance to give his blessing, being whisked away, etc…

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/inside-the-shocking-trade-of-troy-tulowitzki-125111163.html

roxnsox
roxnsox
5 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

Jared, thanks for the link. I was a little sick at heart before, thinking of what might have been and with fond memories of Tulo’s greatness; but understanding that it had to happen (and encouraged by our resident experts’ analysis – thanks, guys). However, if this is how it happened – blindsided, sudden, brutal, off you go and don’t let the door hit you in the ass – I am utterly disgusted and way more than a little sick at… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  jaredean

Thanks for the link.

In my opinion – two sides of this story will emerge.

roxnsox
roxnsox
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Mysterious…curious what you think is the other side? And I wonder how we will ever really know the truth, bottom line.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  roxnsox

Roxnsox – I have no idea. I have no inside info. I just “smells” one sided. Agree with Jeem – writer may have an agenda. Look – I accuse the Rox Front Office of lots of things – lets just generalize and say “incompetence.” But one thing I’ve never accused them of is mishandling player in a personal sense. In fact – I think they’ve been too professional, too loyal, etc. So given the long history of loyalty and professionalism… Read more »

DonnyDinger
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DonnyDinger
5 years ago
Reply to  roxnsox

Best of bad options, I’m afraid. Trade went down in 9th inning. Tulo was removed from game. As Passan says, Weiss was the messenger. At that point, neither Weiss or Tulo could answer questions or even confirm a trade. The press would have eaten them alive, when the guy they should have been talking to is sitting in Denver somewhere (Bridich). Tulo taken out “back door” of Wrigley and whisked out of hotel – again, he can’t answer questions. Rockies… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  DonnyDinger

Makes sense DD.

Jeem
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Jeem
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Very bad smelling story IMHO. Writer appears to have an agenda.

roxnsox
roxnsox
5 years ago
Reply to  Jeem

Yeah, I swallowed it hook, line and sinker out of my usual emotional perspective… let’s hope it was not nearly so brutal as he portrays. Stunned quiet in the clubhouse is probably about right, though. 🙁

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Remember, Cueto was already warmed up, ready to pitch on Saturday when the Reds got Lorenzen out there stretching as an emergency starter in case the Cueto-Royals deal was completed. These trade deadline deals always happen with little notice. I think Jeff Passan’s notion that Monfort would have a sit down “we gotta let you go” chat with Tulo in the Wrigley clubhouse is absurd. There’s no time for that. What was weird was Tulo getting pulled defensively late at… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Didn’t Ubaldo pitch about 3 innings in SD the evening he was dealt to Cleveland?

roxnsox
roxnsox
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Yep. A furor over it.

egossage
egossage
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

I believe he only pitched one inning

JulieG
JulieG
5 years ago

Well, I hope it works, for with that bad smelling story I am sure that young talent outside of MLB takes notice. I think he has a chance to actually get somewhere this season, while we’ll see where we are in a few years.

roxnsox
roxnsox
5 years ago
Reply to  JulieG

I can root for Tulo on the Blue Jays! American League, and the Red Sox are dead this year, AND I’ve been pulling for the Jays to make a surge for awhile given all their trying and their “almost.”

roxnsox
roxnsox
5 years ago

Anybody heard about a scheduled TV presser?

egossage
egossage
5 years ago

It’s live right now

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

Give us not TV guys a Presser synopsis when it’s complete. Thanks in advance!

roxnsox
roxnsox
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

It was streaming on the website. 1) Bridich is smart. (And I realized none of us have really yet given him kudos for doing the thing we’ve been waiting for – which is BE BOLD!) 2) Bridich was a little nervous. Understandably. But he is well-spoken (see #1). Interestingly, he was most nervous when answering whether he had spoken with Tulo. “Tulo talked for a long time with Walt and then I had a chance to speak with his agent… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  roxnsox

Thanks. Once again solely my opinion – I don’t think the GM (DOD and now Bridich) has been our primary problem. I think it’s been Monfart’s meddling. Perhaps Bridich will somehow manage that better. Some early Bridch milestones to consider: 1. Managed the Michael Cuddyer FA exit to Mets perfectly and received a compensation (Tyler Nevin) draft pick. Note that Cuddyer is now out with a bum knee. 2. Managed the Amateur Draft exceptionally well. I recently saw where MLB… Read more »

DonnyDinger
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DonnyDinger
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

You mean, like this one?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DqYJm1FUzljgp6B4yFQ4K4Nf_dJthkVSIoUZlcyOoks/pub?output=html

Cot’s Baseball Contracts, don’t leave home without it.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  DonnyDinger

Damn – already updated! Thanks for the link. It does look good. I’m willing to bet we can get rid of half of the Reyes money.

roxnsox
roxnsox
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

Bridich also used the word “stunned” several times in describing Tulo. And did the usual about Cargo or whoever might be of interest to teams – “I’ll say it again; say it with me, everybody, (paraphrase) we are always listening…”

DonnyDinger
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DonnyDinger
5 years ago
Reply to  sdcarp

There were some tidbits in the presser. Bridich and Monfort are on the same page. Bridich asked, twice, if Dick was OK with this. Click “yes” to confirm. Monfort called Tulo as soon as Weiss had him roped into the office (another reason they did that). At the same time, Bridich called Paul Cohen. Bridich and Anthopoulos apparently talked a Tulo/Reyes deal as early as January. Talks intensified in the last week. Bridich said he didn’t like the 9th inning… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

Alright already – let Bridich get back to work. He’s got another big one to do by Friday.

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
5 years ago

Some stuff on twitter about Cargo is going for sure. Not sure I believe it’s the Angels but I guess at this point anything is possible.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Raysfan

Mike – the Angels acquired Shane Victorino yesterday. Victorino is old and broken down, a platoon player at best now. But I’m still thinking that acquisition takes the Halos out of the Cargo sweepstakes. Cargo’s recent explosion – and more importantly – really good looking health, has probably taken his value beyond what the Halos can pay anyway…….and that may be why they pulled the trigger on Victorino.

Bill
Bill
5 years ago

I’m writing this on virtually no sleep so if something I say makes no sense that might be it. Of course, according to my wife, most of the things I say don’t make sense. 1st from the Blue Jays point of view I’m not sure what they get improves them from what they were yesterday. They now have a hundred and two right power hitters. The they get a guy who has struggled for years because of bad legs and… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill

Bill, I think that comes with the territory. Saunders has been critical of Rockies management/ownership on several occasions since he took over Troy Renck’s old beat. Ringolsby was old school about the beat writer’s job–report, don’t critique. So Ringolsby, not surprisingly, got better info. I sense that Saunders has been completely excluded from the gossip. I guess beat writer is a tough job like that. Avoid criticism and you’ll get called a shameless management stooge. Openly criticize management and you’ll… Read more »

Bill
Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

Ag – Have to disagree with you a bit. Ringolsby had numerous sources all the the time and he did criticize the organization at time. He also understood that he was traveling and covering the team everyday for 6 to 8 months so that when he was critical he was fair. And Ringolsby had spent 30 + years as a beat reporter. So I don’t think he kissed ass. Saunders hasn’t earned the respect or cultivated the sources in and… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago
Reply to  Bill

Bill – I didn’t say The Cowboy was a butt kisser. It’s just as you put it, he knew he traveled with the team and his role wasn’t to call out players or management, it was to report. (I actually got into a little online rhubarb with him back in the day — I appreciate that he took time to respond and defend himself, although I thought he had the stature as a HOF writer to be a little more… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

Quick updates;

According to MiLB.com –

Miguel Castro assigned to ABQ
Jeff Hoffman assigned to NB

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
5 years ago

So it was all about Hoffman. He made the trade happen.

sdcarp
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sdcarp
5 years ago

Huge day for Rox continues. Wilin mercifully optioned to AAA. Christhian Adames, Andrew Laffey, and Justin Miller called up.

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
5 years ago

HA! Tulo doesn’t have his passport with him. He can’t go to Toronto. LOL

Gary
Gary
5 years ago
Reply to  Mike Raysfan

What a world,what a world.

ProgMatinee
ProgMatinee
5 years ago

Not going to make a judgement on the prospects as I have no insight on them. I like that Tulo was traded. It was time to let him go. He was truly an albatross and I bet most people close to organization knew that Tulo’s intensity isn’t necessarily a good thing in every club house. I think this org short term and long is better with him gone. All that said, the Rockies organization continues its precedent for bungling player… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
Mike Raysfan
5 years ago

Prog, if you believe Bridich and Monfort this all happened during the pre-game/game. Sounds to me like the it was more of the Jays pursuing the Rockies. I do agree with you. Should have gone down better. Would it have hurt anything to wait 24 hours? I am confused about a few things. A team that is desperate for pitching is willing to give up on 2 highly rated prospects and take on the Tulo no trade, high dollar commitment?… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

RMH – I agree. Why did this occur? In my opinion, it was due to our willingness to take Reyes and his contract. This type of forward thinking hasn’t been associated with the Rockies in the past. I’ll make this promise – if Cargo is dealt and receive a good return (as solely judged by my biased opinion) I will not use the terminology “Blake Street Clown Show” and “Monfart” for the remainder of the regular season. All bets are… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago

I always say it’s premature to judge a trade until the smoke completely settles – which can take years in some cases. You’re absolutely correct – from Toronto’s angle Tulo was only one domino.

From the Rox standpoint – the trade won’t be done until Reyes is flipped – likely this offseason.

DonnyDinger
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DonnyDinger
5 years ago

Laughing out loud at these people on Twitter saying “OMG, Jays gave up Norris for Price, Rockies are inept.” Daniel Norris may be the most interesting pitcher in the world. He lives in a van down by the river. He spends only $800 per month. He shaves with an ax. He makes Trevor Bauer look normal. Norris would have been a huge destabilizing force anywhere near the Rockies rotation. Some teams are equipped to take on a project like that… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  DonnyDinger

Another thing to keep in mind – Toronto is only responsible for Price (and his salary) for 2 months. So that lack of financial commitment for the potential receiving team (the Jays) made him very attractive. Especially given the fact that they took on 50M more commitment the day before (Tulo’s 98M – Reyes 48M). The Rox haul from the Tulo trade is amazing when you consider the fact that Toronto also took on 50M. I’ve said this before –… Read more »

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago
Reply to  DonnyDinger

Yeah, Donny D. Taking Daniel Norris would have been like drafting that scrawny little stoner from the Washington state instead of that 6’7″ Stanford kid.

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DonnyDinger
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

The scrawny little stoner’s dad told the Rox he wouldn’t sign if they drafted him.

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  DonnyDinger

Too bad we can’t do a time warp and re-do that draft with today’s State Laws. Scrawny little stoner would have run to Denver with his bong in tow. No signing bonus required.

Daniel Norris would fit fine with Jon Gray, Jeff Hoffman, Zack Wheeler, et al………….and would be a cult hero in LoDo.

Agbayani
Agbayani
5 years ago

Donny, I’ll just note that Norris’ Wiki page still lists his ERA as of April 30: 4.20. I think it should forever be frozen in time at that mark. Actually, he sounds like a free spirit surfer dude but not a bad guy. I mean, no Milton Bradley. In the fine lefty tradition of Bill Lee, Barry Zito, etc. I obviously have no problem with joking about his professed lifestyle choices, but is there really any reason to avoid having… Read more »

sdcarp
sdcarp
5 years ago
Reply to  Agbayani

They all pale in comparison to Dock Ellis – and he turned out to be quite an outstanding citizen in the end.

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